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Is this too heavy for here?
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Salmoneye    Posted 12-18-2004 at 17:45:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know if this has been brought up here, if it has I missed it...

For those that don't know, a young woman was murdered and her baby stolen from inside of her...

I held no hope...

The baby has been found alive and the woamn responsible is in custody...

I think I just took one more step towards 'belief'...

Salmoneye, The Tearfull

PS.....If this is inapropriate for this board, I apologize...


KellyGa    Posted 12-20-2004 at 09:02:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is just brutal. Monstrous. What is wrong with people? sigh... So glad the baby is okay...but man oh man...


Doc    Posted 12-19-2004 at 03:02:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Exact same thing happened here in Ohio just last year not far from here. Woman that stole baby was located and committed suicide as the police were walking up to her house. Baby and father are doing fine today. Well, I guess that last statement is a relative one. As fine as can be expected under the circumstances.

I just cannot understand some people's thinking.


big fred    Posted 12-18-2004 at 22:00:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very few news stories that disturb me so much that I have to turn it off, but this is one. There is no punishment too terrible for someone who would do this.


Ron/PA    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:44:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
No it's not too heavy for this board. I've been following this for a couple days, and it's just unbelievable to me.
The death penalty? I don't know if I could consider any other sentence if I were on the jury
Ron


Battleborn    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:32:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow, what a story. Thank goodness the baby is alive.
There was one in Fallon NV not too long ago that was an almost identical story, but the killer botched the c-section and killed the baby as well. She dumped the mother and the baby in the desert. Sick.
Paul.


steve19438    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:20:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
no sane, rational person could do such a thing. obviously the woman is sick of mind. now here is the real question, does the death penalty apply here??????


RN    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:44:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Reports indicate suspect had recent miscarriage. Your own statements indicate possible jury belief- she is not sane, not guilty by reason of insanity, confine to hospital instaed of prison, no criminal death penalty. Look for deal in next couple months- guilty of act but mentally incompitent for trial, danger to public so confine to mental ward long time- similar to Hinckly. RN


Melanie    Posted 12-18-2004 at 21:28:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
RN-
assuming your nickname is a reflection of the real world- do women who suffer miscarriages go through post-partum depression? If they do, this silly heifer's got it made in the shade. No court will convict her, sadly enough.
One thing- they better find a prison where nobody ever watches the news- if one single woman in there hears about this, the gal's Post Toasties.


RN    Posted 12-18-2004 at 22:01:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Miscarriage information from Meriter Hospital in Madison, WI among other sources warns of hormonal changes and possible mental depression after loss of fetus. This also for late term abortions, Prostoglandin induced labor for expelling stillbirth. Advisory for possible suicide watch, drug use/abuse, drinking, violent behavior to others, noted to check for prior use of drugs, etc. as behavior may revert to former bad habit. Observation , possible blood test 2 weeks after incident to check infection. The medical and legal literature existing indicates troubles have happened- patient more at risk than others, but behavior can be erratic/dangerous to others at times- refer to Susan Smith case. Criminal law may refer to 'intent' at time and mental competency- depending resulting sentances are prison time/ death penalty as criminal act or hospital confinement as insane act. 'Insane act' may not have definate time to serve, just annual medical review, end up close to life sentance. I would need to get more information of attackers prior history for more than guess from newspaper and CNN online. It appears that baby was displayed as womans own to other people who called police, no attempt to hide baby or arrange a transfer for money to another party- this would indicate a criminal act under kidnapping laws and could be used as aggravating factor in a death sentance decision. Need Screaminghollow to help with law, at least Marylands, for probable outcome. At this time I am leaning toward a plea for less than death penalty with mental ward confinement possibly followed by long prison term to protect public- again similar to Susan Smith case.


SusieQ    Posted 12-19-2004 at 02:29:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
The fact that the wanna be mom, laid her plans carefully....driving all those miles to victim's home......that is pre-meditated murder!

Death Penalty................would be my choice, or take her out and use a firing squad, no excuses.


RN    Posted 12-19-2004 at 04:02:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I checked some more online news- right now seems to be federal kidnap charge with possible death penalty. Missouri seems to have a murder charge being considered but not yet filed, still investigating, would have to defer to federal prosecution first unless federal prosecuter said state could have trial first. As you pointed out some planned actions could be used to show sane mind and premeditation that could be used in a penalty phase for death penalty, probable lethal injection. Still have possibility of life sentance deal if state and federal lawyers want to save time and money- remember Nichols has multiple life sentances state and federal for Oklahoma bombings while McVey was executed. Firing squad not really an option any more, Utah changed their law about 2 years ago, was only state that had that method available and used for Rogers about mid 80s(?). Amber alert procedures worked in this case anyway, baby has been recovered.


Alias    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:02:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
No, Salmoneye, It's not too heavy, for most of us already know about it. And, it tends to shake us that someone could be so totally without compassion for others.

When you say you are one step closer to belief, consider this. One might be led to deny the existance of God, but, there's no dening evil.
Now, since everything has an opposite........gfp


Salmoneye    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:53:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks George...

I really need to think about this some more...

I don't know if it the 'season' or what, but this is affecting me in a way I had not expected and am unable to sufficiently explain...Least of all to myself...



Melanie    Posted 12-18-2004 at 21:25:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good luck on your journey. I feel like I'm in the same boat, if I decoded your statement correctly. I've been having some problems in that line myself lately; I go through phases where my logical side starts trying to knock me out of the lifeboat, so to speak, and I'm just fighting it off as best I can. So whole-heartedly, good luck to you.


Donna from Mo    Posted 12-18-2004 at 18:40:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
All this took place not far from where I live. Incredible, is it not? Imagine how that poor woman's mom felt, who had the misfortune of finding her daughter in a pool of blood, dead.


and also..    Posted 12-18-2004 at 18:59:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
telling the authorities that she thought her daughter's belly looked like it had 'exploded'!! Can you imagine something like that?!

Patria


Les    Posted 12-18-2004 at 18:31:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
People throw away babies by the thousands every day and this woman felt compelled to go kill a woman so that she could have one. Unbelievably ironic.


KatG    Posted 12-18-2004 at 17:57:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I read about this terrible event in todays paper...my gosh what has the world come too...you know it takes some sick and twisted mind to come up and perform such a scheme...I am a more trusting person than my husband...but reading such items I can start to see his point of view...Times have surly changed...KAtG


Clod    Posted 12-18-2004 at 20:05:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
What is the change in the USA in these
times?This kind of thing is what Hollywood and
TV present as great entertainment,Even for
children.Mind altering chemicals are fashionable
as a way to pass time.There is no God in
politics nor government and he has a replacement
that the younger generation are not concerned
about nor aware of.


AND YET    Posted 12-18-2004 at 20:38:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
In the Horror and agnoy of Death this Dear Soul has offered Salvation to another. I weep for Her loved ones


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