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Well there goes my feed bill
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kraig WY    Posted 05-13-2002 at 17:15:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
and taxes. Bush signed the Farm Bill


Jim (Mi)    Posted 05-14-2002 at 07:27:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Who proposed the bill? The democratic congress or the Republican President.


Hogman    Posted 05-14-2002 at 17:30:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Have any of You talked about it one on one with a member of the Ag Committe? The Folks that wrote it. Theres a lot about the bill that I donot like but theres an awful lot about the bill that the INDIVIDUALS Who wrote it do not like. The house completed It's bill last Nov while the Senate continued to bicker right up to the end when it was already too late for a lot of Farmers,after which the two had to agree on some kind of compromise between the two bills.

I have set through the farm subsidy thing and learned some,got confused some but came away understanding that like it or not THEY ARE NEEDED for the good of the country. If You look at other countries You'll see the American farmer gets very little. Recently Japan was paying Their farmers $12.50 for beans over what They were paying for US beans simply to keep Their farmers on the farm raising beans. Do They know something Our people don't. Germany---
OK, I'll get off tha soapbox


Just Ducky    Posted 05-14-2002 at 19:10:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I agree ALL farmers should get better pay for all the hard work they do but from the County Extension agent and the Farm Bureas' explaination this bill is set up to provide the most help to the bigger farms not the little guy. Since I don't want or even qualify for any subsidies I'm not familitar with every aspect such as what defines a large farm, in my day 200+ acres would have qualified but I know times have changed.
I just feel that the little guy is getting the short end of the stick again and it's a crying shame.


Hogman    Posted 05-14-2002 at 19:54:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll agree with that to a point but I talk to the fellers with tha several thousnd acre "truck patchs" and it ain't all that great. It's sorta like when I went from Feeder pigs to farrow ta finish,found out right away tha pay was less ,just tha checks were bigger.
To repeat the old adage "Farmers by definition are paupers".Guess it will always be.
Tha two things Ya never want ta watch being made.Sausage and Legislation,not if Ya have a weak stomach.
We do have a lot of good honest dedicated people elected to represent Us who strive to do whats right and yes, there is a flip side to the coin,good and evil? Or, Some are good and some are just good'n evil.


michelle    Posted 05-15-2002 at 18:20:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
hogman,
I am new to the internet, and new to pig farming. I found the Kountry living site and have been following some of the conversations. You seem to know quite a bit about pigs. For several years now I have raised a Fat Hog for our own use. Last year I bought a couple extra's for my Brother & Sister in-law. The price for fat hogs around here is .50 cents per pound, so that is what I sold for. I lost money (duh). Most of the small pig growers here are also Tysen chicken farmers (I live in the ozark mountians, north west Arkansas). They can feed their pigs the chicken litter for "free". I love raising the pigs. Do you think I could charge more? Would folks pay more for pork fattened on corn & garden scraps? What is your opinion?


Just Ducky    Posted 05-14-2002 at 08:39:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't think it really matters who proposed the bill at this point, the President has the final veto power, something his Republican Congressman & Republican House members had urged him to do. If he didn't like it or want it he definately could have vetoed it. Any explainations as to why he wouldn't?
At least with a different party in power you would have known what you could & couldn't expect on certain issues, not like now. I believe most assumed he was for oil companies since his family made most of their money in oil but if you had known this president would have voted for farm 'welfare' for large & corporate farms as well as additional wetlands & conservation measures at your expense through taxes would you really have been as anxious to vote for him. I'm not saying voting your conscience is wrong but don't others feel that we as a country might have been misled on certain issues during his campaign?


Jim (Mi)    Posted 05-14-2002 at 09:36:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Pretty true. He is trying to change the snibbering weaseling ways the previous administration had. His new tone does not sit all that well with me and I am a devoted Rep. I do wish I would have know he was planning on this let's all get along attitude. He agreed with Campaign finance which is unconstitutional. I have yet to here him speak of his school voucher program he was touting on the campaign trail, I am in complete favor of. I understand the war effort forces him to refocus his views, but with his approval ratings he is not using his status like President Clinton did to push his Republican core policies.


Tom A    Posted 05-14-2002 at 04:01:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I guess my question is: "Who was the alternative, Gore?"

I only saw one person last election who would have made a perfect President, and frankly I am not interested in the job. Mr. Bush, for all his shortcomings, is still far, far better for all of us than the other guy.

Tom A

PS: Please remember to keep this discourse civil, I really don't want to lose the last good discussion site left.


Larry    Posted 05-13-2002 at 22:52:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]

I know people have been debating this new farm bill for some time now. The thing most people forget is that agri-business isn't the only business that get money from the government. Just look at the oil industry for example.



Just Ducky    Posted 05-13-2002 at 19:29:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I just read how much this new 'conservative' presidents' plan is going to cost the taxpayers.
How do the conservatives who liked his ideas feel about this, are you really willing to continue to think he's working in your best interest? I never did trust him and now he's really proved how much he cares about the little guy that doesn't pay $1000 a plate for political access. Oh another thing is the bill includes more wetland restrictions. At least the liberals never said they weren't for welfare or environmental restrictions as opposed to our current leader. Can anyone say talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Check out the numbers:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/opinion/news_mz1e10perkin.html


Aw shucks kraig-PCC-AL    Posted 05-13-2002 at 17:29:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't you realize that all those elected officials are working in our best interest? Just ask them and all your suspicions will be, er, put aside. By the way, how do you un-elect someone???


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