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My U.N. Rant!!!! (Political!)
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Ron/PA    Posted 12-30-2004 at 06:54:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've been waiting to see what kind of crap, that little ferret would pull, to back peddle from his "STINGY" statement, now we have it. We JUST MISUNDERSTOOD the poor fellow.
While I am all in favor of getting the U.S. out of the U.N., I'm just as intrested in getting the U.N. out of the U.S.! I want them all off of our shores, let them take their sniveling little wimps, and their million dollar parking tickets, which are exempt by diplomatic immunity, and leave. Paris would be a good place for these sarryarse excuses of wasted oxygen!
I don't pretend to be an isolationist, any working person has a spot next to me. I just can't stand these limp wristed, panty wastes, that constantly live on our charity, while they badmouth us at every opportunity.
If these figures aren't enough to satisfy them, perhaps they'd donate their salary and expense account to the fund.
Just sick of the bashing.
Ron, yeah, go ahead I dare ya,, just try to tell me,, UH-HUH!


bob ny    Posted 12-30-2004 at 08:45:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
gee ron don;t hold back you may develope an ulcer
have a ---- almost said it
bob( who will cherish each and every day he has left)ny


screaminghollow    Posted 12-30-2004 at 08:38:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
First, the UN has a useful purpose. It was basically a UN coalition during the first gulf war. UN peace keepers do a valuable service as do some other UN functions. I also agree that some of these folks are sniveling money grubbing idiots. Just because we Americans bust our humps to make sure we have a good economy doesn't mean we should always be bailing out folks with less work ethic, or who view us as the evil enemy.

What puzzles me is the delay it took for GW to say anything. His father peed around after hurrican andrew devastated Fla. and ticked some folks off years back.

GW certainly could have handled things better if his staff had been more on top of things.

Some countries have mandatory service for all 18 yr olds in either the military or some civic oriented force like civil defense or emergency services. That wouldn't be such a bad idea for the US. A corps of folks already trained in how to handle emergencies, disasters, first aid etc. would really be useful to our society. Not to mention the lives that could be saved just by having a people trained in such things after they return to regular civilian life. Requiring our youth to put in a minimum of four or five months in the group of their choice wouldn't be bad. They could be later called up as needed in a catastrophy. (In the 1800's, Friedrich the Great required all young men in his country to go through eight weeks of basic military training. After 18 months he commanded a potential army larger than any other in Europe. not that I am in favor of a large military, but training to handle emergencies would certainly have benefits. Such a force could also be deployed to places like Sri Lanka to asist. Other countries wouldn't have the concern of US military on their soil.)


Ron/PA    Posted 12-30-2004 at 10:31:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree that the UN "Had" a usefull purpose in the past, and may still have, and while it wasn't in existance at the time of Pearle harbor, it certainly was at 9-11. At that date, I questioned it's authority, when it was a bit shaky on condemning the attacks on our country.
I also agree, that GW was a bit slow on the press opps, and perhaps could have looked better to the world, had he popped up sooner, I'm not sure it would matter to anyone other than the press, or his detractors.
It appears that the relief was in fact en-route well before his statement. I for one would think that would only matter to a few folks, the victims.
While I agree that some military service would benefit our youth, I don't think I'll ever favor placing them under UN command.
We could send a million troops over there, and I doubt that they could do much more than is already being done. We couldn't get equipment in place in time to assist in the disease controll, and by the time we could, we would already have lost that battle.
If we train a large army I would think we would need to support a large army. If we're going to train them to clean up disasters, it would be alot different than training fighting men and women.
Just one Monday morning quarterback's opinion,
Ron


screaminghollow    Posted 12-30-2004 at 14:08:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I certainly never suggested having a large army to support. But requiring all US residents to put in some short time useful service and come out with useful emergency, disaster training would benefit us all. Instead of waiting for the guard to mobilize, individuals would collectively know what to do immediately and how to act for every one's good.

Someone said it would take too long to get in and help these folks. That is total BS. The US army has mobile field hospitals and cafeterias that can be moved and set up in 24 hours. Within 24 hours they could have been airlifted to the effected areas and been in business. What a great world press op, for GW to show pictures of the US mobile hospitals on the ground and set up, and chide the rest of the world for their slow response. Our bases over there could have had amphibious vehicles and choppers in there with food and emergency medical supplies also within 48 hours.
Indonesia and some other countries are heavily Moslem. Is this a way to build good will with the rest of the Moslems that we are not the evil empire some extremists think??? I'm not faulting the US response, just the lack of better handling of what seems like it could be a really good opportunity. Were I in charge, I'd be challenging places like Iran and Pakistan to do proportionatly as much as the US for "their" Moslem brothers. Make them out to be the uncaring SOBs they really are.


The U.S. Army is    Posted 12-30-2004 at 14:41:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
overcommitted right now. There are no uncommitted Army hospitals, mobile or otherwise, left, or doctors, corpsmen or whatever.

The Army was "the peace dividend" of the 90s, back when so many folks insisted there were no bad guys left for us to worry about and we should cut the military.

Bkeepr Tom


RN    Posted 12-30-2004 at 09:58:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hurricane Andrew delay? Federal rules at the time said wait for governor to declare disaster and call fro federal help. Wasn't governor a Democrat/ Anti-Bush political active at the time? UN may be usefull at times, as a bull is easier than AI- turn your back at wrong time and bull may bump and stomp you into the mud. RN


I feel their pain ???    Posted 12-30-2004 at 09:23:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is that what some folks want to hear?

Frankly, I'd much rather have a quiet guy working behind the scenes taking sound action than some pretty boy with hollow words designed to make people feel good but serve no purpose.

President Bush immediately directed relief money be sent--that was far more important than getting on the airwaves and telling everyone how much he grieves.

Bkeepr


Les    Posted 12-30-2004 at 11:28:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hear, hear! for BKeepr. Nothing need be added to that.


Les    Posted 12-30-2004 at 08:41:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
What difference would it make if W had said something sooner? See Ron's post below. I couldn't agree more with it.


Les    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:32:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just had MSNBC on a few minutes ago. Suddenly this tsunami disaster is all about our "image" in the rest of the world. Those people make me want to puke. Every limp-wristed America hater in this country better be standing in line to get a ticket to the Indian Ocean and help those poor people out if they ever expect to have any shred of credibility ever again.
Here they are saying things like "President Bush should have spoken out sooner". Like that would really ease the suffering of millions. Here's my advice to those people: "Shut your gaping pie hole and get off your dead arse and do something besides whine if it really means that much to you."
Them people would still hate us if we hung the moon so just do what needs doing and let the chips fall where they may. To he!! with the spineless maggots.


Ron/PA    Posted 12-30-2004 at 08:23:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
I heard the same thing, and what makes it worse, is while they are griping about Bush not getting on camera fast enough, they would crucify him for jumping on air, and creating photo ops.
It's never about the victims unless you're doing the giving. If you're doing the reporting, or the so called managing,, it's about sniper fire from the pen.
Ron


a different view...    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:22:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Agree, I hate these Bozo's, but somewhere during my studies of warfare I learned the maxim:

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

We are at war, not merely with terrorists but with these kinds of pinko bureaucratic swine who want all we have so they can give it away to those they feel are more deserving. So while I hate paying a penny for the UN, I think having them nearby helps us--we can keep a better eye on them (remember in the news a few months back "somebody" had bugged Kofi Annan's office?) if they're playing in our home field.

Bkeepr Tom


WELLLLL,    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:31:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now you just had to go and put that spin on it didn't you? Hmmmmmm This is going to take some real thunkin.
Thanx for screwin up my head, hehehe
Ron


;-)    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:41:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had a wonderful International Relations professor at West Point...almost all of his required readings were these limp-wristed liberal socialist things. Then we'd discuss them at length.

He was amazing in that he'd force me to see things in much different ways than I ever had before. Didn't make me any smarter, and made my hair hurt sometimes, but I guess it was good for me. There's good reasons why "we" do things that often most of us don't see.

Tom


Les    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:39:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't think too long, Ron. The UN is beyond the point where it has any useful function. It is corrupt so much that it could never be found out in a hundred years of investigation. Yes, it is our enemy, there's little doubt of it. But it is also toothless. Sort of like a Chihuahua senior citizen.
Mr. Egeland let his mask down just for a moment and his true thoughts came out. I'm sure it didn't take long for him to realize what he had done and the mask went back up and the back peddling and damage control began in earnest.
Send him back to Norway.


not toothless at all!!    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:45:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
The worst thing you can ever do is underestimate your enemy. The U.N., if we let our guard down, will take our freedom of speech, our freedom to own guns, our money, everything.

If we take them lightly, they'll do it before we know it. If we are vigilant and treat them like any combatant, then we may eventually win...but I'm not overly hopeful about that.

Bkeepr


Les    Posted 12-30-2004 at 07:50:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not sure I agree totally with all of that but you may just be right. I still think we should not be part of the organization and it should be unceremoniously driven out of NYC.


Willy-N Agree!    Posted 12-30-2004 at 06:57:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have to agree with you. We do not need them here! Mark H.


JoeK    Posted 12-30-2004 at 08:26:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
My thoughts..when formed the UN needed a"safe haven" and the sheer process of elimination parked them in the US along with transportation(air/sea)and comminications deemed they needed to be in NewYork.However with modern transport and communications abilities,I now think they should be on a refitted passenger ship with"their own" protecting their butts..able to actually travel to points of concern about the world instead of sitting in their"ivory tower" isolated from anything"icky" and enjoying all the best the US has to offer by being the"chosen few".And to heck with diplomatic immunity,which is a crock anyway!As a wise one once put it."When in Rome,do as the Romans" or the more modern axiom"Ignorance of the law is no excuse."


jeanette    Posted 12-30-2004 at 16:12:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
i could'nt agree more


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