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Indonesia relief
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Al /Mi    Posted 01-07-2005 at 05:50:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why do we have to pay to have Powell , Jeff Bush all the senators and all of their entourage to go to Indonesia .
What it cost for them to go , there could be a lot of relief paid for .
Just ranting
Al


steve19438    Posted 01-07-2005 at 13:04:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
and don't get me started on the 50 million brother bush is spending on his inaugural bash.


RusselAZ    Posted 01-07-2005 at 13:20:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Why not? That could be fun. With the rate of inflation thats pretty close to the 43 million that Clinton had spent on him at his last bash.

Most of the funds for these shindigs is private money anyway.


steve19438fettigans@aol.c    Posted 01-07-2005 at 14:54:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
so what your saying is that if clinton did it it is ok then????


~Lenore    Posted 01-07-2005 at 08:25:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
We Americans are basically good caring people.
We want to help everyone and we hope to be loved and admired for our kind hearts and generous nature.

There is not enough money in the world to buy love and admiration from those who hate us. They take the money and hate us even more for our arrogance in thinking they should like us.

I donate to church based charities like the Salvation Army and Operation Blessing, that I know are treating the people who need it most.


Alias    Posted 01-07-2005 at 08:24:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Al, it's simply a matter of protocol. It is normal for other countries to send deligations to disaster areas.

In order to better assess the damage, the US needs people on the ground. So, rather than send Joe Sixpack they send people of authority. And, except for transportation and lodging expenses, Secretary Powell does not make any more than if he were at his office in Washington, DC.

As for Jeb Bush, he is paid by the citizens of Florida. And, he is there because he has had extensive experience with disaster relief. Which gives him a leg up on most other possible Good Will Ambassadors. Because of his experience in dealing with such things as fresh water and food allocation, he was a good and proper choice.

But, aside from all that, whenever a disaster of this magnitude hit an area, there is a strong likelihood that fear and uncertainy will lead to further kaos. And, the presence of strong leaders such as Powell will go a long way toward reassuring the people and help to provide some measure of hope to their lives.


big fred    Posted 01-07-2005 at 07:36:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've heard CNN has spent millions just covering the story. On the other hand, some companies have quietly donated millions to the relief effort. My employer (a large aerospace company) has donated a million and is matching employee donations to CARE, Mercy Corps and Red Cross.


Melanie    Posted 01-07-2005 at 09:07:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Precision, or Boeing? Are you in my neck of the woods?


big fred    Posted 01-07-2005 at 10:07:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Lazy B. I work in Kent, WA, live near Buckley.


Melanie    Posted 01-07-2005 at 11:04:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I used to work for Precision Castparts Corp, on the Rolls-Royce team. We used to make parts for youse guys... :)


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2005 at 07:27:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's all part of the show for good public veiw. Of course to me it is a waste of money but this is only the beging of the fraud. The people who realy need the help will be the last ones to get it. Lots of other pockets will be filled first with it. The other problem is it won't be used to solve the problem and the next wave will do the same thing! It is like throwing the money in a big hole. If they rebuilt away from the beach edge it would help but they will just rebuild like it was befor waiting for it to happen again?? Sad to say it is like feeding the poor to have more babys to die, more food more babys means more die and nothing solved. My way would be forsed birth control if they want help, to get the numbers down to where they can take care of themselves. It is a endless cycle of death and ignorance. Mark H.


Melanie    Posted 01-07-2005 at 09:13:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Golly, there's a book I just read part of that said basically the same thing... if you create a false ecosystem in a given area, the population there will increase, and whoops, there's good ol' Famine rearing her head, along with overcrowding, pollution, pestilence, and so on.
I can't remember the title of the book, but it disturbed me, so I quit reading it.
On the one hand, I agree with the sentiment. On the humanitarian hand, I find it hard to get next to the idea of letting people starve to death because that's natural selection, or whatever. Why not relocate people?
Wasn't there some state here in the U.S. a few years back that was paying men and women with drug problems or a bunch of kids to get sterilized? What if it was offered to the population like that?
But on the other side of that coin, what if family and children are such a deep, important part of their culture that you just took away their reason for being?
It's a tough one; sure glad I don't have to make that call.


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2005 at 09:28:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess the way I look at it nature is tring to tell us something. I am against starving people but also against way over population if they can't feed them. It only causes more pain and suffering. Seems like if this problem was taken care of a long time ago millions would not be starving now. We have to start sometime. Not saying the world is running out of land but some areas can't support that many people. All relocating them does is allow more to be born causing the same problem to grow. How could a family want to have more children just to let them starve that is what I don't understand?? It seems like a no win problem that will only get worst till it is solved not fed to make it happen more. The money needs to be put into birth control and better farming ways along with education of the people. Mark H.


Melanie    Posted 01-07-2005 at 11:12:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes, I see your point on the farming and birth control. Unfortunately, in a lot of cultures, especially the Third World cultures, it's considered taboo to do anything to circumvent the laws of Nature, otherwise known as the will of [insert deity here]. Which means women are prevented from using birth control in a lot of places. And I know that that's why women are being stoned for adultery; it's the only method they have for 1)preserving a traceable lineage; and 2) population control in any way, shape, or form. As for birthing children only to watch them starve to death, I bow to Ulysses Everett McGill: "It's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart." There's no logic to it, no sense at all, but somehow these families living in squalor and poverty seem to continue having large families only to watch them die.
As for the farming, I couldn't agree more.


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2005 at 11:31:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is where education come into play. They need to end some of the religious and culture reasons for so many births. Replacing themselves only for a while. I heard that India is having over 20,000 births a day so in 5 days they replaced the ones who died in the wave and the whole problem starts over again. Not sure what to say the cycle is horible. Mark H.


DCM    Posted 01-07-2005 at 06:39:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good morning everyone, you know Al, that thought has crossed my mind regarding what Clipper said. Is all this fund raising going to do the job,how much of it will get into the hands that don't need it.Already heard of this happening.Sad to say its the flavour of the month. Dan in AB


Clipper    Posted 01-07-2005 at 06:29:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wait till we find out how much Relief $$$ has been pilfered by the UN and we will all rant together..... :^(


Red Dave    Posted 01-07-2005 at 09:40:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are exactly right about that. The UN is the most corrupt gang of thugs in the world. The way they shakedown the U.S. for money would make Vito Corleone proud.
Don't forget how much Kofi and his boy Kujo stole from the oil for food scam either. They'll do it again too, if they get half a chance.


Hawk    Posted 01-07-2005 at 06:25:46       [Reply]  [No Email]

i`m with you fellers!


hay    Posted 01-07-2005 at 06:02:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
gotta make america look good over the world.


hay.. who does not like political BS either.


Melanie    Posted 01-07-2005 at 09:17:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
True enough from a political standpoint... but I prefer to look at the independent donations made by the American public... we, of our own free will, have donated more than 30 million dollars so far. I'm proud to be an American at times like this.
(And the small little resentful part of my mind just chimed in with: "Nobody sent us any money after 9/11, or either of the big hurricanes....")


RN    Posted 01-08-2005 at 18:03:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
9/11 Remember the story of the Saudi prince that tried to give a million dollar check to New York city? Check refused by mayor? Couple days nasty stories in newspaper.


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