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Very very scary!
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screaminghollow    Posted 01-12-2005 at 08:24:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
A fellow just called me with the following story. LAst evening he came home to find a puddle in the laundry area floor, which is in the basement. He has his reloading bench in his worshop, which are very open, being basciaally in the same room with the washer and dryer. He found a leak in a laundry room pipe and grabbed a box of spare pipe fittings from the workshop and fixed the leak, he was running late for a scout meeting so he just put the box of plumbing stuff on his reloading bench, next to the can of black powder he had filled his powder horn from last weekend. As he was cleaning up, a police officer knocked on the door and wanted to talk to him about the accident he had witnessed the week before. The guy's wife says go on down in the basement. As the cop walks into the end of the basement where the laundry room and wokshop are located, he sees drano and chlorine bleach next to a bucket near the back door, as well as a pipe nipple and two caps in a box on the reloading bench next to the black powder. The cop arrests the guy for having an illegal chemical weapon and making bombs. As he is gathering the evidence of these crimes, the cop sees a coffee can on the reloading bench with some old armor piercing surplus military cartridges thrown in. They add a charge for possession of cop killer bullets. Now all his hunting guns have been seized and the guy may be on the news tonight as a domestic terrorist having an illegal chemical weapons and bomb factory in his basement. The fellow is frantic, he says he works for a plant that does military contracts and will lose his job. I referred him to a criminal defense lawyer in his town.
But for the grace of God, this could happen to many law abiding US citizens.

DCM    Posted 01-12-2005 at 15:59:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm afraid gun control is not very far off, here any domestic dispute almost always ends up checking out if the pcs. are registered,many are seized because of non-compliance and never returned.North of you all. Dan in AB

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:01:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
im guessing your in the deep freeze by now , the front started going through here at noon, bad winds heavy snow , even had to plow again,stopped now and clearing but high winds and windchill and temps dropping like a rock.

DCM    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:06:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
You got the deep freeze part right,snow is only about 3-4 inches but the winds swirled it some.Daytime today was *O F degress.Tonite should be alot colder though.Dan

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:19:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
they are say -30 c here tonight with windchills from -42 to -48,, i know i was out in it this afternoon and my ears were freezin in no time, snowed like heck here all afternoon probably about 6 to 8 inches in total but it was blowing bad , drifting, how long is this deep freeze suppose to last , they were sayin warmer by the weekend but now for us it doesn,t look like it.

mark    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:31:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
We had between 6 - 8 in. lastnight, wind is
starting to wind up and temps dropping. Until
monday day time highs are only to get up
between - 10 & -20, monday we warm up to -2
during the day. we have wind chill adv. for the
next few days -40 and colder

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 19:39:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
always though you folks were part of canada now i know it , somebody just have to give the states a taste of canadian cold and i guess you lucked lol

mark    Posted 01-12-2005 at 20:49:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's all the fault of that lazy fencepost on the
border not doing it's job. I think they need to
put those xtra security folks on a detail to
replace it with one that takes it's job seriously.

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 21:59:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
that could be it, must need the Cold Patrol on duty lol. just left town -15 on the explorer, comming home it went all the way to -24 and when i got here -22, must be cold pockets around, oh well least the wind stopped and not snowing actually clear out and if your dressed for it not too bad .

DCM    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:24:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
The latest I thought was Sunday for warmer, the days have to start getting longer, at least may temper the daytime temps abit.Dan

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:31:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
i just checked the montana one here and they are saying maybe mon. or tue. moderating.we been in this since boxing day , be nice to be able to take the heavy coveralls off long enough to let them dry.

DCM    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:36:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
We can hang in until then but it has only got tough here Monday, for us this is the roughest stretch so far for cold temps. Dan

toolman    Posted 01-12-2005 at 16:55:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
be nice when it does wamr up i know im gettin tired, maybe we,ll even get the jan. thaw and it,ll probably pour rain then though lol.

big fred    Posted 01-12-2005 at 15:47:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
BTW, unless he has a security clearance at that "plant that does military contracts", he probably doesn't have anything to worry about. And if he does have a clearance, he still probably doesn't have anything to worry about, as long as he makes sure he discloses the arrest and keeps his security office apprised of his status. He may get his clearance suspended for a while, but unless he's a genuine threat or tries to conceal his arrest he should be okay.

steve19438    Posted 01-12-2005 at 14:03:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
bottom line is don't allow the "heat" in your house/home unless a warrant is produced.

Oliver    Posted 01-12-2005 at 13:38:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Police can arrest people, but they are not the judge or the jury. In my neck of the woods the jail wouldn't hold 10% of the people that had all that same stuff in their basement. Those would include the judge, the prosecuter, the sheriff and most of the deputies, the police chief and most of his officers. The guy who dragged someone off to jail under those circumstances around here would be laughed out of town.

big fred    Posted 01-12-2005 at 12:40:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Heck, that's almost as bad as gettin' on the wrong side of the EPA or Jesse Jackson.

RN    Posted 01-12-2005 at 11:59:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Similar things have already happened- check Chicago, New York city, California.

mud    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:47:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
good lawyer- wont stick.

guy has community service background - i.e. b.s.a.

bet he voluteered as the accident witness. may have even helped with the folks in the vehicles?

he'll get this beat, but it will cost him.

please keep an update going on this now that you brought it up.


Fawteen    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:10:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Um, folks, there's a BIG difference between FMJ and Armor Piercing.

And while they may be legal, why would anyone need tracer rounds?

Fawteen, who has 3-4 pounds of smokeless powder and a coupla thousand rounds of this and that in the basement...

I didn't say...    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:23:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I needed tracers, just that they were legal...

Almost any rifle cartridge is capable of blowing through both sides of an 'average' vest...


Texas    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:20:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
My buddy brought back a couple of belts of 7.62 (308) rounds from Vietnam...he gave the,to me as I have a couple of 308's. Shot a few for sh!ts and giggles.
Had them since '69 or '70.

Legal or not, they are a hoot to shoot!

Clipper    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:15:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tracer rounds are excellent for when the MIL is running across the pasture and yer closing in on her with yer B.A.R. :^)

Fawteen    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:19:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh. Of course. Silly of me...


Salmoneye    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:01:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Since when are surplus FMJ illegal???

Strange that they are available from all reputable online sources in calibers up to and including .50 BMG...

Here are .30 cal ball FMJ:

Click here

Here are .30 cal ball FMJ tracers:

Click here

That LEO is an idiot...

Furthermore...    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:27:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here is the BATF definition of "Armor Piercing" ammunition:

Under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 44 as amended by Public Law 103-322
The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (enacted September 13, 1994) 18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44 § 921(a)(17)(B) the term 'armor piercing ammunition' means --

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term 'armor piercing ammunition' does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Secretary finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Secretary finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.

The outlawed projectiles apply ONLY to handguns...

Alias    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:34:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
What a revolting turn of events.

Who said that?... Was it the Great Gildersleeve?

Sounds to me like your friend should have been a little more safety conscious. Ya see, you just dont leave any explosive materials lying around.
He may be innocent, but he used poor judgement.

Jimmy Durante    Posted 01-12-2005 at 10:33:09       [Reply]  [No Email]

deadcarp    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:12:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
one weeknite we were speeding the honda thru the pass from vegas to la, got pulled over and the guy was nice enough to write me for 75. i'd been going like 85. suzn asked why i wasn't upset and we added up what he could have written it for - there sat half a jug of wine, right next to the fireworks we'd got on the way out, next to my luggage with the pistol and a couple leftover joints. my tags were even past due! i'd say traffic school was cheap enough. :)

Bkeepr    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:12:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Same thought crosses my mind many times when I read a headline touting how they arrested some guy "with an arsenal in his basement," implying he's some kind of nut. Read further, and many times it sounds like a pretty pathetic arsenal, they ought to come see *my*...I mean my friend's arsenal.

Yep, there's some scary "guilty until proven innocent" stuff going on sometimes.


Texas    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:06:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well Im up sh!t creek then. I have enough fertilizer, diesel, powder, 7.62 FMJ and FMJ tracers to get me put under the jail.

hay    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:00:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
just think about having in your possesion ammonium nitrate fertlizer and diesel fuel. most every farmer would be a terrorist then? i think our laws and lawmakers have crossed the line on common sense. or maybe we are just scaring ourselves over little of nothing.

Willy-N    Posted 01-12-2005 at 08:39:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Man if they looked in my Re/Loading stuff and big ammo storage box maybe I would be in trouble too?? I just have a few extra bullets for shooting, lots of Power and primers. I also have a bunch of the leagal bullets like you are talking about because the still sell them everywhere? They could build a case on anything if they think about how parts could be used and put together. Keep up informed on what happens. Mark H.

IGNORANCE and over ZEAL    Posted 01-12-2005 at 09:44:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
When You visit with Law enforcement,those who make arrests and fined Their knowledge of Firearms and explosive regulations are inversely proportionate to Their eagerness to apprehend "Terrorists" with or without pipe Wrench in hand..................

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