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Neighbors who always want to borrow stuff !
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Ray    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:03:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
What do you tell neighbors who ask to borrow
your things to save them money? A neighbor wants
to borrow my backhoe to work on his septic system,
doesen't want me to do it (I might charge him).
Another wanted to use my Brand new skid loader
to haul manure out of his barn,I don't want it
in manure.I usually tell them my insurance won't
cover them,(which it won't),but they don't care.
Another asked to use my 15' batwing mower that
I loaned a guy last year,got it back needing
$200 worth of repairs.He said it was like that
when he got it.My wife and I are Semi retired,
worked hard for our stuff,and don't want it broke
up.About the only time I see the neighbors is
when they want something for free,I don't care,
but my wife takes it kind of hard when she hears
of someone calling me an A$$ hole for not loaning
my tools.I guess I'm just the neighbor hood Scrooge.

Chuck, WA    Posted 05-21-2002 at 07:52:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry...after such a long post, I forgot one point.

With regard to the reply where it was mentioned to show up dressed for a night on the town and ask to use the neighbor's Lincoln...

My friend whose implements are currently "stored" at my place has a Cadillac. If I even suggested I might like to use it, the only question he'd ask is "When?"

kraig WY    Posted 05-21-2002 at 16:11:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can see where you are comming from. I have neighbor like you mentioned. I also have a few that don't return items or don't know how to care for them. I find it a lot easier just to do the job for them. Takes less time and easier on the high dollar items like tractors, loaders and such.

Chuck, WA    Posted 05-21-2002 at 07:46:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
There's neighbors and then there's friends - not necessarily the same!

When I was a younger man, I had an older fellow who was pretty much a surrogate Dad. He's gone now and left a big hole in my life. He was the kind of Dad I never had.

He once said that if the good Lord hadn't meant for him to help others by letting them use his "things" the good Lord wouldn't have provided those things. I've tried to follow that. My friends know that anything I have is theirs - no strings attached. They treat me the same. If I break something, it gets fixed or replaced and returned better than I got it. We believe that there's no sense in each of us owning the same set of things as the others, each of which costs a bundle and gets used only rarely. We'd rather share and save the money and have a more extensive set of things available among us.

I moved from town onto a small acreage at Thanksgiving. I'm building a barn, and one friend says his garage is never locked, and if I need something, help myself. I treat that priviledge with great respect and don't abuse it. I bought my first tractor a few months ago and spent more than I expected, so couldn't afford implements. The same friend is just a quarter mile away, and doesn't need most of his implements at this time of year, so there they sit at my place getting used - blade, bush hog, post hole auger, manure spreader. Same with another friend a few miles away - his drag scoop is in my pasture when I'm not using it. While building a barn and doing lots of other stuff on the place, these will stay at my place until my friends need them, then I'll return them. They tell me that they might as well store them on my place as theirs, and they know where they are when they need them. The same applies to tools - most of my own are in storage and will stay there until I have a barn built to house them. These are the same friends who insisted on helping build the barn rather than paying a builder to do it.

Tammy, the wife of couple whose implements I'm using dropped by on their tractor the other day to "borrow" their blade. Another friend of theirs were backfilling trenches, and their tractor hydraulics weren't working so they were doing it by hand. Tammy took their tractor and blade over and did it for them.

I feel sorry for folks who aren't as blessed as I am with that kind of friends, but as I said at the top, friends and neighbors aren't necessarily the same. At my last home (in town), my neighbor had a shop full of tools - he was the shop teacher at the local highschool and really into tools. He too said that anything he had was mine when I had a need. Again, I respected that and didn't abuse it. I don't know my new neighbors yet, and only time will tell what they are like. I intend to give them the benefoit of the doubt until they prove themselves otherwise.

Now, I do have "things" that my friends and neighbors don't have and the same applies. My understanding is that if I borrow it, I am responsible to return it in the same or better condition. If I loan it, I accept the responsibility that if it's destroyed, it was my responsibility and I hold nothing over the borrower. I've never had a problem! I loan my truck, my Suburban, about anything but my wife. :)

Now the disclaimer - if in loaning things, I find that a particular person consistently returns things damaged (it's never happened), I would explain how I do things and that loaning things to him makes them unavailable for others to borrow, and based on that, I won't loan them.'s never happened to me.

Now, I'm sure - from the other posts on this topic - that there will be many who will call me a fool, and maybe even post that opinion back to the board. Maybe so, but it has served me well, and it suits me. Your mileage may vary!

My 2 cents...counter culture as always it seems! :)

Spence    Posted 05-21-2002 at 05:44:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
About the only thing you can say to these people is that it's broke. Then when they see you using it that very afternoon they get the idea.

There are certain things that I don't lend out, and that's mostly for practical reasons. Fixability is important too. If a part is all weldable metal with no moving parts like a plow, it's a candidate for a loan. Also for instance my brother in law wanted to borrow my MH30 for hauling out logs. I said no. Parts for a 50 year old MH30 are getting scarce now so even if he had good intentions, and I know he'd try to fix the problem, he'd be stuck because no parts are available. So I'd rather it break down when I use it than someone else. I usually don't lend anything out that I can't fix myself.

I'll lend out a snowblower or lawn mower or hand tools or equipment that attaches to larger machines, but that's about it. Sometime I'll offer to do the work as I'm retired and have the time.

But backhoes and loaders are big ticket items and I wouldn't lone out machinery like that,
sides, they can rent one for a day from a rent-all
for about 60$. Your right about insurance, getting
hands on experience on a dangerous expensive borrowed machine is asking too much from you.

Redneck    Posted 05-20-2002 at 18:56:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's like an old truck or tractor in the field.If it was for sale I would have it out for the public to see.When asked is it for sale, I politely say no.When their standard answer is "Well your just going to let it sit there and ruin!"They are told in no uncertain terms that I bought the da%% thing and if I want it to rust to the ground,it's my ground too so git your a$$ off it!

They are the same ones that borrow things.They aren't going to spend their money on one when a fool neighbor will let them borrow theirs.

I'm like my daddy was, I loan tools to a very few,money to less than that and my guns to noboddy.

F14...By golly    Posted 05-20-2002 at 19:07:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm like my daddy was, I loan tools to a very few,money to less than that and my guns to noboddy.

I like that. Might just have to carve that into a sign and hang in over my tool board in my garage...

F14    Posted 05-20-2002 at 18:17:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Like the anti-drug ads: Just Say NO. Only an a$$hole would expect you to loan them $30,000 worth of equipment for nothing. If they want to be that way about it, I don't have any trouble saying no. I'll loan some of my equipment to either of my sons-in-law, but that's it. Been burned too many times. Either comes back all stove to he11 or doesn't come back at all...

Red Dave    Posted 05-20-2002 at 16:58:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know I am not a regular on this forum, but I feel the need to chime in on this one.
I have a neighbor who has helped me out so many times over the last few years that I can probably never pay him back. Whenever he asks for anything, I try to get it for him as fast as I can. As far as I am concerned, he can use anything I have. Anytime.
Some other ones though, well let's just say, I've been used, abused and $hutt upon enough.
I'll help anybody if I can, but I dislike being $hutt on. And I have a long memory.

F14    Posted 05-20-2002 at 18:23:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
That would be an exception to my comment above. But, there's nobody around here that even qualifies for that anymore.

That cuts both ways, too. One feller told me "My shop is always open, you need anything, just help yourself." Not a chance. I borrow one thing from him, and he (understandably) thinks he's got carte blanche to borrow anything I've got. Not gonna go there!

If I need a tool I ain't got, I either rent it or go buy it. That way, the only one mad at me is SWMBO...

Ron/PA    Posted 05-20-2002 at 15:49:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know it seem harsh, but to be quite honest in years gone by, NONE of our neighbors would dare ask such a thing. They would ask you your price to do the job, and if you offered the equipment fine! Today they all think they have a friend with a piece of equipment they can borrow.
My standard answer is that I simply cannot afford to loan out any of my equipment that does not have a wooden handle. After a while it sinks in, one neighbor had a hard time understanding this until I showed up in a suit and tie, and told him I was taking the wife out on the town for a night of barhopping, wanting to do it in style I felt sure that I could use his Lincoln,,,,,, NOTTTTTT
Good luck, and stick to your guns

Bob /Ont.    Posted 05-20-2002 at 15:20:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well SCROOG them Ray, get a sales pamphlet for everything you have with a price on it or a per day rental rate. Next time they want something show it to them and then tell them what you will charge them to do the job. Likely they have done this to everyone around you who has anything and nobody listens to people with a RECTUM DEGREE any way.
Later Bob

Grove r    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:50:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi, Ray, put it into perspective, as I do, you wanna "borrow", something? would you lend me your wife? lots of silence after that, usualy they just quetly leave! But, don't get me wrong, there are people who I will lend things to, that WILL take care of them, those that are offended by my comment, are obviously, those that wouldn't take care, so.... nothing lost, iether in friendship, or anything else. If these people see me as "hard nosed", well, that is also a good thing, then they won't be back, and the real friends will respect a person more! As you probably rember, I too have a small backhoe, a good friend of mine asked if he could "rent" it to dig in the water and sewer to a trailer for his son. Not much loose change here. I said NO! after he got over the shock, I said, but, you sure can "borrow" it! Well, to make a long story even longer, it came back in better shape than it left, AND the gas tank was FULL!!! I did ask a small favor in return, asked if he could haul a seed drill from town for me on his gooseneck trailer....he couldn't do it fast enough! Now this guy gets to use anything he wants of mine, and, he does not abuse the privilege, and he appreciates the gesture!

Take a good look at the type of people you describe, does it realy matter what they think? I think the important thing is to live up to YOUR standards, you are the one you have to live with, not them....

And there you have an in-depth study of the human psyche, put forth by someone who spent his first four years of school in grade one, and failed kindergarten. ";^).

P.S. not even a slim chance on the "wife" thing! Have a gooder, R.E.L.

bob ny    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:26:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a woodworking shop and i take care of my tools because with the right tool you can make almost anything and i would make almost anything
for almost anybody a used to be FREIND wanted to
plane a peice of wood for a fireplace mantle so
i backed off on a cardnal rule about lending don't you know there was a peice of nail in the wood i don't have to say what happened and i don't lend any more

kraig WY Or when they do they don't bring it back    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:24:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Its not so much that they borrow stuff, its if its gonna sit, let it set in my yard so I don't have to go to town every time I start a project. Lost use of my dump trailer for two weeks because it was borrowed for a hour project. Right when I was in the process of hauling manure out of my corral.

Oscar the Grouch    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:14:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
If that's the way the neighbors are, who cares what they call you? When you come right down to it, who cares anyway? You're the one that has to live with yourself.
Once burned, twice wise.

geo in MI    Posted 05-20-2002 at 14:10:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
You pretty much answered it. The only time you see them is when they want to borrow stuff for free. A simple, "I don't loan my tools" should suffice. A good neighbor assumes that from the getgo, and won't even ask.

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