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Bill    Posted 01-26-2005 at 19:18:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Just moved to the country and we are having a problem with our well. We lost water in the house, turned off the pump and called for help.
We were told that either the seal was bad in the pump (Gould Deep Well Jet Pump) that is less than a year old or the foot valve had gone out.
He took the pump apart and ruled that out. We pulled the valve and replaced it. We are 30ft down in the water of a 450ft well. The pressure in the pump will build up to 50 psi, but when you open the valve to the house and start to draw water the the pressure starts to drop and the water runs out. It seems like the tank is not filling up with water. The tank is the only thing left to replace. Before we lost our water I had noticed several weeks before that the pump would come on run for 5 seconds or so and shut off, wait a few minutes and do it again. We have a bladder tank. How do you know when a bladder tank goes bad. Also we have an extreme sulphur smell to the water. If it is the tank and we need to replace it would there be a better tank to get to help with the smell or no. If it does not sound like the tank then what. HELP!!


j123    Posted 01-27-2005 at 13:26:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I replaced my pressure tank with a Well-Mate brand tank. They are constructed of fiberglass and practiacally last forever.


steve in in    Posted 01-27-2005 at 09:19:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Buzzer!

Sounds like a cracked or busted pipe to me. You say a well house. This means it is not in or under your home. Do you live in a cold climate?

The cycling could be caused by a leak. Even with a bad bladder, the tank will still fill up and build pressure in the system. If it is draining down, then it is leaking. The valve on the pump is doing exactly what it was made to do: stop the pump from working when there is a leak.

Check it out.


Willy-N    Posted 01-27-2005 at 07:06:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
If everything is OK and your water is being drawn down below the foot valve you will suck air and lose flow also. Just having a bad bladder will not stop the pump from giving you water it just affects the flow of it for as while. You should still be able to get water out of the well if the spicket is open. Sometimes they put a Pressure Switch that has a low pressure safety that will shut off the pump and you have to hold the lever up till the pressure gets up to a point where it will hold it self on. If you have 30 ft of water in a 6 inch caseing you have about 30 gallons of reserve in the well till the aqufer refreshes what you use. So if your flow into the well caseing has slowed way down to a trickel you may only be able to use about 30 gals befor you run out of water. You said you have a 450 ft well and into the water 30 ft but how far does the water stactic level come up the casing and how far is the draw down and Gallons Per Min of the well for it's flow. This information should be on a Well Log some where made by the person who put it in. Mark H.


Patria    Posted 01-27-2005 at 03:12:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Bill,

I can feel your pain, and I hope you solve your problem soon.


polecat    Posted 01-27-2005 at 00:01:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
if the sulphur smell is not real bad,they make a fitting that goes on the pipe at the top of the well.this fitting allows a small amount of water to spray inside the well which puts oxygen into the water which kills the smell.you can check on this at the store where you buy your pump and tank.it only cost a few dollars.bob in e.tn.


Willy-N    Posted 01-26-2005 at 21:00:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Turn the pump off, draw the water down to nothing the put a air gauge on the air valve and see how much pressure you have in it. It should be a few pounds less then your shut off pressure on the pump. If 50 the the tank should be 3-5 lbs less. If you have no pressure in the bladder the water alone compresses which is realy not at all and when you open the spicket the pressure will drop off real fast till the pump can turn on and bring it back up. If the bladder is good you will be able to pump the blader with air to say 45 lbs and it will stay. If your sink valve is open the air will come out there if it is leaking. You could have a leakey Valve Stemm like on a car tire and it lost the pressure in the bladder. Check that first befoe changing the tank. If it is leaking (getting lucky) put a metal cap on it that seals good till you can replace the inside of the valve for around .25 - .50 cents. Mark H.


deadcarp    Posted 01-26-2005 at 20:09:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup i agree it's probly the bladder in the pressure tank. yu can bypass the tank & see - it doesn't need a tank to pump.
the sulphur smell is easy really - ya need balance 4 elements perfectly to get sulphur dioxide, which is what you're smelling. mostly in the hot water i reckon. first try shocking the well with a jug of bleach overnite to upset the excess oxygen balance. this also helps neutralize drowned vermin/bugs in the well. then you can get an aerator tank or filter what's left. we just have a little thermos-sized unit by the kitchen sink that's good for 35,000 gallons.


rayinmo    Posted 01-26-2005 at 19:52:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Scuse me iffen i'm wrong, but I seem to remember your air valve should have about 18 pds pressure with the pump off and the water pressure relieved at the faucet when you check it {bladder reading]. to much air behind the bladder will cause the pump to kick on and off quickly.JME LOL


Battleborn    Posted 01-26-2005 at 19:38:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Jeez,
Unless I am missing something it is almost certainly your bladder tank (the bladder failed and there is no cushion to reserve the pressure). The pump cycling on and off rapidly is a prime indication. The well man should have checked that first IMHO.
I would replace the tank and fire the well man.
The only thing you can do for the sulphur smell that I know of is install a water treatment system that removes the sulphur.
Good luck,
Paul.


HOGMAN    Posted 01-26-2005 at 19:35:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Either Your air pressure is too low in tha Tank or tha Bladder has pooped out. There is an Air Valve on tha Tank all same as Valve on Tire,You can put in about 40# and see what happens. Recovery may be dramatic. I assume You had a Well Man pull the Pump,under tha circumstances I'd mabe find another Well critter as tha first thing He should'a done would be ta check tha Tank. IMHO
Good luck..................oh, tha sulpher? Your on Your own thjere..........


Burrhead    Posted 01-26-2005 at 19:39:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hello Unka Hawg. They claim ye get used to sulphur water but I never did.


Doc    Posted 01-26-2005 at 20:06:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree on the bad bladder most likely. As far as the sulpher, sometimes when a bladder goes and the pump is over active like that it can stir up sediment in the tank which may make you believe you have a real problem and you really don't. Fix the tank and see if the smell goes away before you invest in a water treatment system.


HOGMAN    Posted 01-26-2005 at 20:03:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Evenin there Squire, My Grandpap had a Spring that run Sulpher,stunk,tasted like it smelt.They used it for warshin clothes and We had Our Lasses Mill set up there. Haul tha Cane,Team'n Wagon. Made realy good sarghum,clear and tasty,not sure what happened to tha sulpher.
Bout 50 yards below that Spring was another'un that was good clear fine tastin water. Mammy Nature does some mitey strange things.
Good talkin at'cha Cuz


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