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Pole Barn House
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DeadCarp    Posted 05-25-2002 at 07:15:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Anybody ever seen a house built inside a pole barn? Mark's project got me thinking again - wife & i have this crazy idea about using the pole barn as a weather-damper, cat yard, garage, machine shed, everything under one roof. I'm pretty green on the moisture control aspect though .... i know painted metal roofs drip less, and concrete floors can be sealed. Just don't wanna live in daily rain.


JoeK    Posted 05-25-2002 at 09:13:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seen a couple nice setups,with a mobile home set into the side of a pole barn,Just one side and frt of MH exposed,MH sets just inside the 6x6 poles and building ties into it,with matched flashing,Would eliminate MHs windchill and any roof problems.Front door comes outside,back door enters polebarn.I'll see if I can locate pics.


Hogman    Posted 05-25-2002 at 08:35:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
D C I've set here for several minutes trying to come up with a sensible reply. Vertual blank.....
If You refer to comments between Mark and I You may begin to see why.I am not too sure that there has ever been much in the way of research on this,and even if there were I'd put it in the same category as dirt "Soils engineering IS NOT an exacting science".
One building 20 open door on East end,open windows up in gable end on West ,one foot space between soil and siding on South side and vent cap running length of Gable roof. Vetilation should take care of any moisture.Ha,tis to jest! IT RAINS!. Building ,open west side ,12 foot opening North and South ends,vented Gable roof cap. Not as bad as first building ,but drips.
Hay barn 14' sides ,siding nails to treated lumber thats tounge and groove and goes well into the ground to stop digging vermin. Scant Gable venting from cap. Doors are only open when moving hay and with Them closed it's dungen dark inside. Also, there is 6+ inchs of creek rock covering entire floor. Rain or shine real hot to real cold,stays bone dry. By all thats considered right and proper it shoud be a constant shower inside.
Would I argue that that this would be right for another building? Not no way,how or otherwise!
This is not meant to confuse but only to point out that it is a very confusing subject.
With that I'll be seated and let Someone else attempt to enlighten You. One last, it's an interesting concept,doable,worthy of research,and might even work very well indeed. Be brave,be a Pioneer.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-25-2002 at 07:50:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
All my roofs are Metal and no problems with moisture at all. I had a Pole Barn On the coast side of the mountain I insulated and carpeted and was set up to bake dog cookies in. It was a great place and you could have lived in it if you wanted to. Concrete floor was not a problem at all. I sealed it and never had any moisture come thru. I sheet rocked most of the insides even built a second floor in it after it was built. Mark H.


Hogman    Posted 05-25-2002 at 08:57:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi there Mark,You slipped in whilest I was writin. Think We got Him realy confused by now?

Heres a very good point to ponder,In the LA Basin I had little problem with moisture in the shop. It was stick built but open beam ceiling. Was 8 miles from Ocean. Not a lot of humidity,(just smog!).Could say it doesnot apply. Moved back HOME to high humidity here in the Ozarks. Have been fighting moisture in shop eversince. Water stands on machines at times. Some People here put up only a roof for a hay barn.They rain. Maw Hogs Uncle put up a metal building North of Us ,sealed it up pretty good,so wet inside it was just about unusable, so that does create a question as to the locality thing. But, still think it would have some bearing on subject.
By tha by, Your buildins realy lookin great. I'm proud for Ya.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-25-2002 at 12:03:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not sure if I asked on these ones that drip are they insulated under the metal? The problems I had was with the one that wern't insulated. The roofs on all my other building have felt paper and plywood under the metal. In fire and snow areas they use metal all the time? I was told you have to insulate to stop it? Something to do with the cold glass thory condincating due to the tempiture differents on each side of the material. Mark H.


Hogman    Posted 05-25-2002 at 14:03:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark could it be that the condensation just follows down the roofing flutes and disapates elsewhere unnoticed? But bet You'r right about the cold glass thing.
So, now We confuse it a little more,mabe. The machine shop is a corner of tha first barn.Ceiling framed out,insulated,drywalled. Walls mostly insulated and DW'd. Part of room is open to tha main barn with no ceiling. The area back INSIDE gets just as wet as every other place except for ceiling leak and would assume it does and just dribbles down into tha insulation..
Some of these days I hope to get that area completly enclosed and see what happens.
Hay barn is just metal as are the others except again with tha shop area I put down 90# felt under tha metal. Cute thing there, had two fellers workin for Me,I left the paper out far enough to go outside tha siding. They went around there and slapped it up all but a coupla pieces,saw tha young feller very carefully tuckin tha paper in behind tha siding. Bless His heart, He ment well,just did'nt grasp tha purpose of it all.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-25-2002 at 14:26:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I will talk to the experts today down building mine and see what they say. He has been building them for around 20 years now. Maybe he can answer this for us more clearly. Mark H. PS still workin with the cows!!


Hogman    Posted 05-26-2002 at 00:37:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark be sure and quizz Him about climates along with tha rest. We may have hit a goldmine here. On tha other hand He may be like tha Feller that put up tha Neighbors hay barn. Been buildin Em for years, said ' I just put em up,don't know nuthin bout nuthin else with em. Round here if Ya got a skill saw and a 15 foot tape Your a contractor.Also it helps if Ya can count tha number of cans in a twelve pack,not required, just helpful.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-26-2002 at 08:26:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I won't let them drink on the job since I am fotting the bill for it. L&I don't like alcohal in the blood system when people fall off the roof. I asked him about it and he is not sure either and has not givin it much thought. They allways insulate and the insulation in lined with plastic and if there is any drips they would follow the roof line down to the eve and drip there?? Mark H.


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