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REF,The great Motorcraft/Fram.Wallmart filter deba
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Clod    Posted 02-06-2005 at 04:19:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Which Chinese made product is best? Or,Which stamped on brand do you want on your Chinese made filter?

Redneck    Posted 02-06-2005 at 06:05:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Have you ever run a better plug in a two cycle engine than a Bosch or NGK ?

JoeK    Posted 02-06-2005 at 07:27:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Feel a need to interject some thoughts here.There are two or 3 points that need to be brought up here.
1:Contract Manufacturing..where "Acme Mfg" builds specific items"PER SPECIFIC SPECIFICATIONS"for Retailer to be sold ONLY under that retailers name.
2:Rebranding..Retailer buys"standard items" from "ACME Mfg" and relabels them with their retail name.
3:Partners.."Acme Mfg" contracts with Retailer to act as retail sales Agent for Acme branded items.
4:Low Bidder..Retailer aquires items from Acme or whoever will supply supply them cheapest at specific volume and according to minimal standards/specifications.
ALL of these scenarios are present in virtually ANY retail store you enter,plus variations in theme such as seasonal production discounts,special purchases,production overruns etc.Modern retail is strictly profit driven,with every inch of retail"shelf space" having a prescibed value.For instance if"Hirams Tater Chips"wants 3 feet of space on the shelves,they must in a very short time,prove their worth by meeting certain sales volume and profit percentages or"They're Outta Here" and the next occupant moves in.With the last retailer I worked for it was 3 mos evaluation for small sellers and 1 yr written contracts at corporate level for"Giants"like Coke,Pepsi,Oil Companies etc.Less than 5% of total store space was available for Local/Regionally popular items vs "Corporate Standard Stock" making it very hard to keep space for"local" favorites.Sadly "Mom&Pop" operations cannot hope to compete with Corporate Stores on purchasing or selection unless they find a gimmick or specialize in "local" favorites.
The biggest sad/wry comment is the giants"Open on Sundays and Holidays To Serve You"or similar banner lines.Which should read,Because When Competitors are Closed,WE Can Still Milk Your Wallet Dry.
End of lesson:(

Clod    Posted 02-06-2005 at 08:08:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I thought maybe there were some who trusted brand names.These days you can not always rely on a name as a mark of quality.CBS bought Fender guitars some years ago and sold millions of Fender guitars and amps by keeping the original name. Some buy a manufaturers known quality names to ride the reputation untill it is discovered that the new owners knows nothing of the product nor cares of the quality.The intent is to sell the product untill the name becomes known to be connected with shoddy merchandise.

JoeK    Posted 02-06-2005 at 09:00:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thats the shame of modern takeovers,ie:Troy-bilts rep for tough tillers,bought out by MTD and although built "better" than baseline MTD equipment,nowhere near the "old standard".Consumer can no longer "trust" a "brand"without research as to just"who" makes item and"where it fits" in the Mfgs lineup.The most irritating(to me)is blind consumers who buy only on brandname.For instance "Sears" who MANUFACTURERS NOTHING and rebids manufacturers every couple years for "relabels" on most items,making parts and service a joke as soon as warranty(sometimes before)is expired,and with a 10-30% markup on same item over mfgs own brandname.I'm a bit ornery,but if a retailer can't tell me WHO actually made it,I'll shop elsewhere.Kinda like a Chev/Geo "label" on a Suzuki means its "really" not a Suzuki anymore:(

Clod    Posted 02-06-2005 at 13:15:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is true. I would have never dreamed that Caterpillar would use any other engine but their own designs.Now I see they install Perkins engines even in dozers . these days it is not easy to look at a name and know it has a real meaning in terms of who is behind it.

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