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Let's Talk More About Sewage
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Peanut    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:24:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lots of good (although conflicting) info on septics down below. I would like to expand this topic a bit if you don't mind crap talking. LOL

At our farm we have very few building codes. About the only codes I have found are sewage codes. The options we have in NE MO are:
1) Septic
2) Drain field
3) Aerator tank with a drain field
4) Grey-water-only drain field with no black-water allowed. Count on many surprise inspections.
5) Sewage lagoon

I only have six acres. I have a year-round creek that runs through it and a wet-weather creek running through it from another direction. These things help our drain field requirements but hurt our lagoon option. I really dont want a lagoon anyway (huge fence around it and the waste of land). Although a lagoon is the least expensive.

Can anyone offer any pros and/or cons to the above choices? If I cannot get a grey-water drain field, I am leaning toward septic. I just don't want a 1/3 acre stinky pond (lagoon) taking up the little land we have. Our six acres is roughly 1/2 woods and 1/2 pasture (with barn).

grandma    Posted 02-06-2005 at 20:51:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now that the good advice has been flung your way have a tale that will make you cry. I had no choice, it had to be an above ground system because I live so near the water. There was a drain field here at one time, we haven't found it yet. Tho there are spots in the front lawn that look a lot greener then the rest. NOW we are talkng money, we are talking five, yes I said five tanks. We are talking half the place dug up to put two tanks underground, a half mile of pipe work, and three tanks half above ground. The pumps in the underground are run by electricity so there is one more thing I can't when the juce is off.

Al /Mi    Posted 02-06-2005 at 18:56:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Peanut I can only tell you what I had put it here . It comes from the house to a 1300 gal tank from that it goes into a 1200 gal tank with a divider so It's a 800 to a 400 From that it goes to and drain field which is six pipes three foot apart fifty foot long with a header at each end lieing on a foot of 1 to 2 inch stone and covered up with stone a layer of straw then covered up with dirt .
I never expect to have trouble with it and I might get around to pump it in 10 years or so just to see how it's doing .
A drain field is suppose to have evaporation as well as draining down . I'm thinking the gray water is quite clear by time it leaves the last tank. so the field should last forever .
I would have to get 2000 gal of sluge before it would start ruining the drain field .
I don't think yeast helps because it has to be warm to start working my personal opion
DC told me of some stuff I put in mine I can't remember the name but if I go to Ace where I got it I could get it again but I hear if you dump some horse sh*t in there it helps to start it working as long as it's working it will last and last . Bleach is hard on a system so it would be a good idea to run the wash water else where .
Like under a pile of rocks
I probably have a little over kill but I have dug
up a few drain fields because of to small and not maintained tanks .

JB    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:59:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
There is a lot of correct information down below. Bkeeper ( sorry about the spelling) posted a site that could give you some good information. I have not looked at it. Most if not all states have rules on how to install a septic system properly. A lot of states share information and the systems are similar. If you put a system in do it right, doing it wrong is only a waste of money. It will add value to your property. You can put a system in wrong and it can harm the water down below.

Ron/PA    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:59:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nut, I'm not zaccary an expert on this, but I'm involved as the code enforcement jerk, here in hooterville.
Do you actually have the option to put in the system you want? We have many of the same options here, but either state or federal D.E.P. will decide and dictate the system that will be approved. We no longer have grey water systems here. All systems are combined septic.

FC    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:54:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like you may have some regulations there, but I live in central MO, installed/dug a small lagoon when I built my house a couple years ago. I'm probably not legal, but I never built a fence, and it is only roughly 30 feet in diameter. Does the job fine, no odor - even when you are mowing around it. If they are built right in the right soil they are trouble free and odorless. As I said - no inspections here, and I am out of sight of others, and on 110 acres.

deadcarp    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:52:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
the easy option is a septic tank w/drain field. if you can dig holes & lay a few blocks, it's cheap. you can always install a holding tank too, (between the septic & drainfield) same as anther septic tank, piped in series, it'll wrok for 20/30 years, then when the drainfield's full, brick it off & call the local pumper if the code needs it then.

biggest decision is where to put the stuff - ya don't wanna stink, don't wanna contaminate running water & wanna avoid tree roots. and of course you want 1/4"/foot of plumbing drop from existing drains. easy place to save $10,000 - have fun!

toolman    Posted 02-06-2005 at 17:46:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
i don,t know how things are done there but up here we include septic and drain field as all in one type system, we run a line from our dwelling to the septic tank, then a short line out of the tank into a distribution box that has lines (perforated pipes ) comming out of it and are sized by the number of bedrooms that the dwelling has, (how many people will be using it), put in a good septic system especially if you or your neighbours are on well waterand put it as far away as you can from your the law here.

HOGMAN    Posted 02-06-2005 at 18:26:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
First thing I'd do would be a GOOD perk test.expect They will require one done by an engineer which means a feller that works for a man as has a license ta do em who will mabe dig a little hole pour his cold coffee in it,go set in tha truck a few minutes, go back ta tha office and they'll design somthin based on a mabe decent test taken somewhere in a mile or three of Ya. Nothin ta doin em cept it takes TIME and Ya have ta dig a hole down ta where tha leach lines will be. Thats why tha aforementioned 3 inch deep hole and coffee.

I have done good, by tha book perc tests and designed leach fields but mostly had a technician do tha hard work and only checked ta make sure He did em right..but, I retired 28 Years ago and tha figures may have changed even if I could remember em....which I can't.

toolman    Posted 02-06-2005 at 18:53:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup i did a perk test also i think you have to , i just explained a rough explantion of what he would be looking at im sure he,ll find it all out they tell me his wife is pretty sharp she,ll help him figguers it out, lol sure hope peanut is in a good mood , haha

Lem Putt    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:20:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I Tell Ya, a well built privey would be a lot less trouble. Ceptin around the end of October, they some times fall over around them for some reasin.

toolman    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:33:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
well bit cool here from oct to may then come fly and mosiqutio season, but when i remember back to them i will appreciate the one i use now much better next time nature calls. hey was that why they came up with that sayin way back when all we had was them out door privvies. and don,t tell me about the buckets i hated using them, and in the moring i had to go dump them, hmmm kids nowadays complaing about taking the garbage out

Lem Putt    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:46:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bucket??You mean the ol Thunder Mug?

Peanut    Posted 02-06-2005 at 18:15:19       [Reply]  [No Email]

We have county water on the gravel road but lots of folks have wells. I paid for county water not realizing I had a year-round spring bubbling on my land when we first bought it. I fell in the hole (fortunately only dipped one leg in) while chainsawing brush around the well. I didn;t know the well was there at the time. I fell in - almost dug a spinning Husky 20" chain into my dry leg. It was a close call.

I don't want to contaminate anyone's water. I have roughly 20 neighbors down our gravel road (about 2 miles long). The creek that runs though my place runs along the road all the way down to the river.

I suppose I need to consider the septic even more.

Hey Ron/PA - I actually have those choices (for now anyway). The health inspectors will give their "recommendation" but that is it. I firmly believe that if I don't go with the "recommended" method, I am in for constant battles with the DNR and HHS. Not something I care to do.

toolman    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:05:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
your lucky with that well incident , could have turned out bad. i think you have pretty much have to use the complete system most places now a days anyway don,t you, like hog said it all starts with a perk test not hard to do yourself to find the best place for your septic, a proper running system is a good assest to have you don,t want to move out there and be constantly worrying or fixing something like that especially in winter, there is always enough to do , you,ll be very busy finding things for denise to do, then they,re will be all the tool runs you will have to make for her , like different shovels for different jobs, mowers, trimmers etc. i tell ya it,s a never ending job what we men have to go through just to ensure our wounderful ladys have all the right tools to complete every country job that comes up.oh and be sure to get yourself a good comfortable hammock to you can supervise,opps i mean advise her to how and what chore she should complete next, she,ll love country living with just the right amount of help from you lol.

Mrs Peanut ...    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:36:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I will need many tools for my comfortable country life such as... shovels...ya know...those real wide ones...make sure it will handle all the crap Peanut dishes out. Oh...and thanks Toolman for reminding me about those trimmers...yah... nail trimmers...I can lay in my hammock...sip ice tea and work on my's livin good.


toolman    Posted 02-06-2005 at 19:41:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
WOW when i seen mrs.peanut i was scared to open this post i figgered i was dead for sure lol. since im still alive and a thanks to boot , im a happy camper , so if ya need any more good ideas to make your country life more comfortable just yell i,ll be glad to help, sorry peanut .haha

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