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UNIONS from below
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Vic in Kenefick    Posted 02-10-2005 at 16:29:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
For those of you that think "unions have never done a thing for me" I will have you know a few things that you may have never thought of. I am not saying all unions are good nor am I saying that many have out lived themselfs.

Do you have a safe working enviroment? Do you have drinking water where you work? Do you have restrooms? Do you get overtime pay? Do you get a lunch break? Do you have health insurance? Do you have a savings plan? These things are found in nonunion shops too, because the union forced management and the government to pass laws protecting workers rights. Those rights are for union and nonunion workers.

I joined the bricklayers union back in 72 took a three year break to go into the service and I am a Nam Vet and life time member of the VFW. I have paid union dues for over 30 years now. At one point I was the BA for the Bricklayers in Texas, Louisiana and New Mexico. Our members put over 1000 brick a day in the wall or 400 block or they hit the road. Slackers do not make it long around here. As I said I was the BA for three years and then the senior VP for five more years. I just gave up my seat on the Executive board of the Harris County AFL-CIO.

When I retire, in about three more years I hope to have social security(but that don't look really bright) I will get three(3) retirement checks from the unions. One from the local in Houston, my home base, one from the international because our local was a member with them also and the third pension will come from the officers pension fund for being an official for 8 years.

I would love to stay and rant more about unions being the folks that brought you weekends, but I need to get ready to go to bed so I can do 12 hours of laying bricks tomorrow. I have an old wore out acid plant to repair. I also feel sorry for the nonunion illegals from Mexico and points south that the open shops will be bringing in the plants too. When they get hurt or sick no one see or hears from them again.....sorta like they fell into the Houston Ship Channel or the 99% acid tank. I am sure some one some where misses them but then again they hate unions too.

Sure would like to see the world wake up one day. Has anyone heard about the Wal*Mart in Canada. Guess Wal*Mart showed the world what it thinks of its workers.


lloyd sc    Posted 02-10-2005 at 21:56:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Please save all that Marxist c--p. 22 years in the Infantry & shot(& shot at) a bunch of "workers of the world". Don't feel sorry for all of those imported workers, they all suport families back home where Gov. control stops any progress. They come here to work not pay dues to a bunch of left wing nuts.


Sid    Posted 02-10-2005 at 19:17:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I spent thirty years doing carpenter and other construction related work. I would have joined a union for the benifits and pay but I was not even allowed to take a test to prove my capabilities. Maybe it is a good thing that I did not get in one. There are a few thing that I will not do one of them is I will not stand in front of a man and try to stop him from going to a job that he has agreed to do in order to support his family. I guess unions may be a good thing but I always seemed to find work that payed decent when my union counterparts were whining about not anywork. Another thing I will not do is contribute to a political cause or so called charity that I do not believe in. So maybe in fact I would not make a good union person. One advantage that I had being non union was if I did not think conditions were not safe I said so. If management did not agree I left. Maybe my life would be better if I worked a union job but so far it is pretty good and I ain't gonna trade places with anybody. when I retire I also hope for my Social sercurity but I figgered out a long time ago that it was not designed to be my sole support in my later years. So what little I have rat holed away and what I have in my farm looks pretty good to me and the best part of it is I have control over it and I will get it when I want and leave it where it is for as long as I want. And I will not have to look in the mail every month for my "check". Not being anti union just saying I figgered out how to do it without them.


ret    Posted 02-10-2005 at 17:10:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
only one comment about your post. I am also a retired union member. You said you got a pension from being an officer that was different from your reg pension. It works that way in our union too. I would almost bet they get a better deal than I do. Shouldn't. Is yours guaranteed? By whom?
REt


Vic in Kenefick    Posted 02-10-2005 at 18:40:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
ERISA....we have the oldest protected pension plan in America and are the oldest building trade union around. I think about 142 years now.

The teamsters have screwed up everything they have done and unfortunaly we are all painted with the same brush as unions.

I can and will get the words to the acranem ERISA but back in the 60s the government was trying to put the unions out of business and they came up with the ERISA ACT this instead of shutting down pension plans made them solid as a rock....nothing will ever happen to us like happened to the good people that worked for ENRON or Dyna Corp(sp) or the S&Ls of the late 70s early 80s. Those laws made our pension plans solid as a rock.

Please let me add to this. Being a Labor Leader is a rough job, no one calls you because they are happy.

We believe in 8 for 8 motto.....8 hours work for 8 hours pay! Through the years I have seen some friends and floks I did not know go home in body bags and that is not a brag it is a sad sad day when that happens.

Construction workers make up 3 to 5 % of the American work force and account for 75% of on the job fatalities(sp) It is a dangerous job building buildings and chemical plants. I get the feeling that some of the folks here would think we should import third world workers that will work in unsafe condutions and for low pay should do the dangerous work that keeps the wheels of our economy oiled.



Clod    Posted 02-10-2005 at 17:54:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
>>>>>Do you have a safe working enviroment? Do you have drinking water where you work? Do you have restrooms? Do you get overtime pay? Do you get a lunch break? Do you have health insurance? Do you have a savings plan? These things are found in nonunion shops too, because the union forced management and the government to pass laws protecting workers rights. Those rights are for union and nonunion workers.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Well,No to all above.Get me a Union job with al those nice things and I will be out of here in two shakes of a coons tail.But untill then I thank the lord I have a job that feeds me and pays my bills. I have had less.


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