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Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-29-2002 at 19:58:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the help. We tried but she won't stand. Tomorrow the cow will be butcherd. This is part of farming. This is what we raise them for. Just was hoping to get a lot more calfs from the good old girl. The meat is still good and won't be waisted this way. Thanks Again for the help. Mark H.

rhudson    Posted 05-30-2002 at 19:09:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry Mark, but you should at least feel good knowing that you tried very hard to do the best you knew how.

Hogman *** Gerry    Posted 05-30-2002 at 13:45:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Theres an old belief about a cow loosin Her cud and dyin if You don't find it and get it back in Her mouth . Even My Grandad sorta believed that even tho He was a well educated Man for that time. (born in 1852- 1936) And had a lot of good up ta date vet books. I still have one of His Horse books printed in 1899 that He bought in 1905. Intend to give it to Grandaughter thats Horse People. She is forty with no children but I figure what tha heck,none other of My get shows any interest in "old family" junk.She might as well have it to enjoy and if it winds up in tha trash after Her ????

Matthew in SD    Posted 05-30-2002 at 10:52:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Don't give up! If it's too late I'm sorry. The sling will work. Stay with it, persistance pays off. We had a bull that got it's leg broke last year. We treated him and nursed him along. His leg healed and we sold him. Although he did have a limp. If we shot him, we would have been out alot of money.

If you ever get one down again, don't wait, get the sling under it within a couple of days. If they will eat you can help them.

scooterhead    Posted 05-30-2002 at 04:55:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark , I have been raising cattle all my life and have seen very few get up after they have been down more than a day or two . I also had a vet tell me to never eat a sick animal , it`s not worth the chance . Somtimes we just have to take our losses . If you bought this cow you can take it off your taxes , if you raised it you cant . Sorry for the bad luck .

Hogman    Posted 05-30-2002 at 04:24:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark Gerry's post makes some sense thinkin back to My early days. If You still have tha sling I'd give it a try tho sorta think there is a rumen replacement (starter)not sure. Too, I think it's a little early to give up on tha sling,exercise Her legs and graduly put more weight on Them. She can live in that thing for a spell with no harm done.
Still, We are many miles apart,She's Your cow,Your feelins and sometimes it's just as well ta get it over with much as Ya hate to. Believe Me, I've carried many a bucket of food and water to critters just keepin Em alive hopin They'd make it. Maw Hogs a little tha other way ,altho She is a critter person Shes real quick ta say kill it.Baby pigs, was heart breakin ta kill tha little buggers if thay got crippled or such, I'd nurse Em along,sometimes Theyd make it but at least Ya oughta try.
If and when You feel that You have fullfilled Your responsibility to tha animal as the very best You can, let it go for the sake af all.

Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-30-2002 at 16:09:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
I forget the name of it but we were giving her the bacteria starters (big pill with a gun down her) every day to try to get her rumen going again. Her stomach had shut down because she still had more hay in her than she had ate in the last 11 days being down. Mark H.

gerry    Posted 05-30-2002 at 17:35:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
hi mark if you tried that and it didn,t work ,then your probably right to put her out of her misery it,s hard for her and after 11 days it must be terrible on you an your family i know hear when something is wrong with one of our animals none of us gets any rest till they are better, can be hard on the whole family its seems that you guys certainly tried everything and should rest easy knowing that you did , sorry for yous all but thats all part of farming i guess .later

Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-30-2002 at 18:41:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
After having so many animals in our lives we have found the animal will tell you when it is time to go. They have this look and she did. We did our part and when my time comes I hope some one will do the same for me. Thanks, Mark H.

gerry    Posted 05-30-2002 at 22:59:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
ya your right there mark ,best of to you all

gerry    Posted 05-30-2002 at 06:56:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
sometimes the vet wiil keep the rumen juice from a cow he,s lost an they pour that into her to get her rumen going again but my vet never had any when i told him what the old farmer told me an what we had done he laughed but said that was certainly one way to do it, i couldn,t belive how fast he turned around probably the first cud would have been enough but we had to go for two an me being the way i am had to stick both up to my nose an take a big wiff haha .it might be worth a try it only takes a few minutes an you can easily see when the other cow brings up her cud just watch her neck when she,s layin not grazen . hope ya have some good luck with as i know it very tiring on all bye for now gerry

gerry    Posted 05-29-2002 at 23:29:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
mark,been reading about your cow ,sory to hear bout her problems,we had one she went down an couldn,t get up again,we did just about all the stuff you have done then we get her up one day she stands but a bit later shes down again it was a curisor legment ,not a good speller but anyway it holds the hip in the socked, once its torn theres no hope of recovery. another cow we had got into something an couldn,t get up or do anything i took him to the vet he did something like chealton thearpy on him an i brought him home all he did was lay around not eat or anything an got so weak he couldn,t get up , an old farmer told me his rubin quit [no bacteria in his gut] we watched another cow when she brought up her cud we hooked two fingers in her nostrils pulled her head back reached in her mouth an grabbed the cud an went over an gave it to the other cow i did this twice an within ten minutes he was eating everything i could get to him next morning he was up grazing an went on to become a family pet , so maybe there something you can try with the cud good luck an hope this just don,t smell the cud like i did , eyes are still watering haha good luck again

realfarmer    Posted 05-29-2002 at 23:01:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Usual protocol for pencillin is a ten day waiting period in commercial channels. We always had to certify that when shipping treated animals. A normal temp for a cow is about 101-101.5 degrees. Ok to butcher up to 103 degrees- otherwise- do not eat the meat! Drench with a massive dose of aspirin (50 tablets?) to bring temp down- might lose some meat on the down side of the cow due to lack of circulation, but you can safely save most of her. Good Luck!

realfarmer    Posted 05-29-2002 at 22:59:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Usual protocol for pencillin is a ten day waiting period in commercial channels. We always had to certify that when shipping treated animals. A normal temp for a cow is about 101-101.5 degrees. Ok to butcher up to 103 degrees- otherwise- do not eat the meat!

Hal/WA    Posted 05-29-2002 at 21:37:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark, you probably don't want to hear this, but I would be very careful about eating an animal that is sick, unless you can figure out just what is wrong with it. Your own health and the health of your family is too valuable. The meat might be OK, but is it worth chancing it?

It might be possible to tell what is wrong once you have the cow opened up. A cancer on the spine or something like that might explain the cow going down. Maybe one of the internal organs has gone bad and she is too weak to stand. I would open the brain case to observe the brain. If you can find an apparent cause, maybe the meat would be fine.

I would wonder if the cow has been poisoned somehow. This could show up on a "Tox screen", but might not. Of course that would cost more money, unless you could talk the Vet school at Washington State University into getting involved. If you or your vet have not talked to the Vet school, I would suggest doing that before you do anything more. They might be interested and helpful.

Sometime in the 1920's or 30's my mother's family had a tragedy befall them. At that time in North Dakota, they had trouble with grasshoppers and tried to control them with grain soaked in arsenic. One of their hogs got sick and they butchered it to save the meat. They also saved the blood and made a dish called blood sausage. Some of them ate the blood sausage, which apparently spoils quickly. It killed 2 people, including my mother's grandmother and blinded her uncle. Some of the other people got very ill. What they decided happened was that the hog got into a sack of the arsenic treated grain and ate some of it. It was confirmed that the family was poisoned by the arsenic in the blood sausage. A bad way to die and it made others sick for some time.

If it was my family, I would rather be safe than sorry. Good luck, Mark.

Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-29-2002 at 22:02:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Vet did a toxin check with the blood at the University twice. Nothing was given except IVs and some Penicillin over a week ago. There was no apparent reason for her to not get up other then being so tired and not eating right after the problem started. The butcher we use is real good and will check all the organs and the calf is healthy and has been nursing not getting much but nursing. I understand what you are talking about. I will double check with the vet again befor we have it done. If he gives the OK again and the Univercity gives it's OK again we will go ahead, if there is the slitest question we won't. Thanks for the heads up and we will make sure first. Mark H.

Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-29-2002 at 21:06:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have another Cow that will adopt her Calf and keep her happy. The calf has weened itself and is eating grass, grain and we are supplmenting him with Milk Replacer. Shelby still has 7 cows to take care of and she understands. She still wants to be a Rancher!! Mark H.

Sammie    Posted 05-29-2002 at 20:30:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm sorry, Mark. Give Shelby a hug for me.

Bob /Ont.    Posted 05-29-2002 at 20:15:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry Mark
Later Bob

Katrina    Posted 05-29-2002 at 20:09:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry to hear that Mark. Wish there was some way to help. It's always hard when it comes down to that but better than her suffering. Hopefully, brighter days ahead.

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