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KatG    Posted 02-15-2005 at 08:32:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Matt finally had to break down and get a portable milking machine...He loves it and wants to clean it correctly...Ofcorse it is done with bleach water...The formula for the water with the bleach water is 220 parts per million of bleach per gal. of water...I use to know all this math stuff but haven't used it in years ...and had too much water under the bridge to try and bring to mind...I know there are some of you fine folks that will come to my rescue and tell me the answer to this question...Thanks in advance...I will be a checking back during the day...KAtG


MikeT    Posted 02-15-2005 at 14:03:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
When my folks ran a dairy, we'd put 1 heaping tablespoon of BK Powder into the vat holding about 10 gallons of water. BK Powder was a brand name and was sold mostly to dairies back then (1950's). I know the washing water really smelled of bleach.

With time a white solid will cake up in the milkers if you don't scrup them inside very hard each day with a strong bottle brush and the bleach solution. The state inspector that came to our dairy was bery strict on that. Two gigs on that in a row and he could shut down a dairy.

We had one bottle brush for the inside of the 4 milkers that fit onto the cow's bag. Also a small one with a real long handle for going inside the hoses.


EngineerJoyce    Posted 02-15-2005 at 12:18:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
If the cow gets dry cracked teats, be sure to use bag balm. Or at least a teat dip solution. The bag balm will probably be more convenient for your situation. Just wash it off well before each milking, and re-apply afterwards. We had a dairy when I was a teenager and the teat dip was a wintertime necessity.

If you do use a strong bleach solution, just rinse with clear water before the next milking - for Ms. Bessie's comfort and your drinking pleasure you don't want too much residual bleach.

Overbleaching could give residuals, which can be removed by rinsing. Underbleaching could leave live bacteria which could lead to all kinds of bad things (contamination of your milk, mastitis in the udder, etc.)
I'd err on the side of caution.

Oh, and it's good to hear you ain't been shot at lately!


KatG    Posted 02-15-2005 at 11:26:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I am having a hard time getting this to post...Seems like the censorship fairy won't let me write T*ts or B##b...I Want to thank ya'll so very much...Knew I could depend on my KL family...We have been using way too much bleach...Matt said that would dry out Ms.Ellies t*ts ...a cow with dry t*ts ain't happy...When Ms. Ellie ain't happy...MAtt ain't happy...and that makes for a bad situation here on the Cripple G...KatG...trying to keep things peaceful on the Ponderosa..lol..


Melanie    Posted 02-15-2005 at 11:36:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
yikes... how is the psycho neighbor saga working out?


KatG    Posted 02-15-2005 at 11:44:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Okay since you asked..lol...Things have been quite up there the last fews days...Wondered why...Then we noticed that the place that they race around is surrounded by chcinlink fence...Something hit that fence HARD...One side of it has poles amost bent to the ground...Figure they must have have had a wreck...But anyway MAtt went yesterday and talked to the P.A....He was upset because there were no incidents numbers...MAtt told him that he try to get them and the cops did not have any..To make along story short...the P.A. told MAtt that yes something could be done about this punk and that he thought it had gone way past disturbing the peace ...that he thought he sould get a haressment warrent ...Well MAtt signed some papers...He said it was blank but said Plantiff on it and MAtt signed it and put down our addy and phone number...So I am not sure if MAtt filed charges or what and neither is MAtt...What do you thinK???But someone saying they will do something and them doing it has a wide space bewteen the lines...We will see what happens...KAtG


slim    Posted 02-15-2005 at 14:22:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Poles bent almost to the ground? It's amazing how some problems seem to solve themselves. Maybe with a few more incidents like that your problems will be solved for good.

slim


Hollie    Posted 02-15-2005 at 12:09:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
yes sir...sounds like the pa had matt sign a complaint form...that and his talk and what ever statements is what the pa needs to ask the judge for a warrent...he did good....now give it a week and see if it "went through"...and also ask that you both be advised if and when the warrent is served...what the bond amount is...if it was posted or not...you may have your next round of trouble when he's arrested...but keep in mind...no matter the bond amount...any bonds man can get him out on as little as 15% of the bond...hang in there girl....i was wondering what had been going on......dang...makes me wish i was still suiting up every morning....ain't nothing better than a good bust!!!!


KatG    Posted 02-15-2005 at 12:18:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I wish you was suiting up here in Logan County...MAybe then we could get things straight...Appreicate the input...KAtG


Melanie    Posted 02-15-2005 at 11:57:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, just keep pushing, hon. Shooting at somebody shouldn't go unpunished, period. No matter what else, that is a big fat no-no, and this kid should be taught what happens in a civilized society if you break the rules that far.
I'm pulling for you... and like I said, if this P.A. says they'll do something, you just ride their butts until they do.



KatG    Posted 02-15-2005 at 12:21:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks Melanie...Appreicate the support...Yeap ...figure MAtt is riding this incident to the end...KAtG


EngineerJoyce    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:38:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Okay, here I is.
220 ppm means 220 parts of bleach in 1,000,000 parts of a bleach and water solution.
Now the kicker is the concentration of the bottle of bleach you are using. Most commercial bleach products (Like Chlorox) are only between 3% and 6% bleach solutions to begin with. Industrial bleach solutions are as high as 10 to 12%. That means Chloros is already at a concentration of only 30,000 to 60,000 ppm. (about 3.84 to 7.68 ounces of actual bleach in 128 ounces of Chlorox). Mind you, I had to Google this info!

Now back to the gallon jug of dilute solution... Since a gallon of water is 128 ounces....
multiply 128 ounces by 220 parts, then divice by 1,000,000 parts, that only gives 0.03 ounces of actual bleach in a gallon of water.
Now to convert this to using your Chlorox...

Oddly enough, all this mumbo jumbo works out to about an ounce of Chlorox in a gallon of water.

Sanitation solution is based on both the concentration of the sanitizer AND the length of time it is in contact with the surface. (straight bleach will kill all the bacteria almost instantly, while a solution takes a bit longer).

Caution: The above information and calculations are based purely on academic information and NOT on actual knowledge or experience. Hands-on knowledge will ALWAYS supercede academic calculations.

I hope things go well with your mini milking operations!

...now where is Fern with that info from his milking buddy...


Willy-N    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:35:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
At 220 parts pre million it means 220 parts of Clorine to 1 million parts of water. In other words 220 gals of clorien to 1 million gals of water. Or .00022% mixure of clorine to water not that much. Mark H.


tacon1    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:25:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Found this on a Google search.


CLEAN the milking bucket and cooler by rinsing in clean water, scrubbing in hot (?45C) detergent/ disinfectant solution and finally rinsing in chlorinated (50 ppm) water. Alternatively, after scrubbing in hot detergent solution, disinfect by immersion in hot (?75C) water for at east 3 minutes. Afterwards treat ancillary equipment similarly and allow all equipment to drain dry in a clean place.


Hollie    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:18:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
here in missouri the state makes me wash all kids dishes and stuff with one teas to a gal of water....i use an old milk jug...and any brand of bleach....


Randy    Posted 02-15-2005 at 08:51:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe Engineer Joyce will check in.


Red Dave    Posted 02-15-2005 at 08:45:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Kat, I did a little rough calulation and came up with about a teaspoon and a half in 5 gallons of water. Doesn't seem like much does it?

I may be WAY off, I haven't done this kind of calc in a while.

Maybe somebody else can run it and see what they get.


tacon1    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:20:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I figured it and came up with even less than a teaspoon. Seems like an awful small amount.


Red Dave    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:36:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yea, 220 ppm is .022%. My fingers is too fat ta cypher them small numbers ;)

I ran some numbers again and came out to this:
.1408 ounces in 5 gallons of water = roughly .022%.
The conversion I found gives a teaspoon as approx .16667 ounces so you are prolly right with just a little less than a teaspoon.
The problem I found was that a teaspoon is a measure of volume, not weight. So I'm assuming that clorox is the same sp. gravity as water. I don't know if thats valid, but it seems to me that it has to be close.

Does any of that square with what you figured?


tacon1    Posted 02-15-2005 at 09:50:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Perzactly!!


Fern(Mi)    Posted 02-15-2005 at 08:44:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wish I could help on this one.
Sounds like a glug of bleach to 5gal water.
Will try ask dairy man later today.
Fernan


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