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NAFTA
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sawtooth    Posted 02-28-2005 at 05:54:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Last week I tuned in to Rush Limbaugh's program on various days. Rush was gone, there were guest hosts. On Friday there was a host (Mike ???) that sounded a lot like Sean Hannity that was from Colorado. A caller called about NAFTA and said that NAFTA is a disaster for this country. Mike said he doesn't see where it's a disaster, but might need a little "tweeking". At that the caller and Mike were talking at the same time, Mike said that irritates him, gets his blood pressure up and that was why he was hitting the hold button on the caller. Mike said he would make his point, then let the caller make his uninterrupted. Host Mike proceeded to say that people like the caller are protectionist and want to protect oblsolete union jobs "making buggy whips". Then he let the caller talk uninterrupted. BIG "MISTAKE"! Rush would have never done that (and that's why I don't listen to Rush) The caller was a talented speaker well versed and proceeded to make a very valid points that NAFTA is protectionist for foreign countries and workers here aren't trying to keep obsolete jobs- that isn't what's being made and imported. We are exporting our good technology. And the Chinese are using the money they're making from us to build a huge military we will have to face someday. Look at the scorecard.. our trade deficit at the end of each month.


RN    Posted 02-28-2005 at 18:52:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
NAFTA? Ross Perot critisized it, Clinton administration passed it. Anyone voting for Perot can say 'I told you so'. Just getting a comment in. Political posturing can lead to unfortunate results.


Correction    Posted 03-06-2005 at 08:50:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Go to the library and check the facts. King George I passed NAFTA and smartly left it on the desk un-signed. Clinton's mistake was signing it, he should have sent it back to Bush!


Red Dave    Posted 02-28-2005 at 10:42:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
The basic idea behind NAFTA was unresricted trade between the nations of North America, and that is a good thing if all countries are able to compete on a level playing field. The trouble is that here in the U.S.A., we seem to do everything we can to burden businesses and workers with restrictive regulations and taxes, therefore the theory can never really be put into practice. In other countries businesses are either subsidized, or owned outright by government. Privatly owned businesses, paying a decent wage to their employees, can't compete with that.

I think NAFTA needs to be re-thought out so that it lends some balance to the equation.

Now our moron governor is proposing MORE taxes on manufacturers in this state (PA). I guess we can all just work for the government.


sawtooth    Posted 02-28-2005 at 11:30:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Level playing field- how can we have a level playing field with 3rd world countries where people live in mud huts, no cars, no shoes, no electricity, no insurance, few govn't regulations, few lawyers ad infitim. To get "level" means we have to become more like them. This is good? (okay, on the lawyers, yes)

I have a friend that has a small business and markets his products on the internet. He got prices from suppliers, one from the U.S. was excited that he could give him an excellent price due to automation in his company. However another supplier in India could furnish the same quality parts for 1/3 the price! The U.S. supplier said that's below his costs. Beside that, friend said shipping from halfway around the world (India) is no more than from halfway across the U.S. Something's wrong!


Mike in tn    Posted 02-28-2005 at 08:16:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think that NAFTA will go down in history as the worst trade agreement that our country has ever made. Nothing good has ever became of it in my area. Cost us lots of jobs.
Mike


HOGMAN NAFTA    Posted 02-28-2005 at 09:42:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not
A
Fair
Trade
Alliance
But it was sold on what? GREED! We're gonna open up alla these here vast markets'n make MILLIONS ain't we? Them Chinymens gonna buy jillions'a bucks worth'a Grain'n sech.
Frankly, anybody with Brains enough to come in out of a Hale Storm shoulda seen it was pure Bull excrement.

OKAY, as Squire RON,PA would say "My mornin rant" somebody else can have tha soapbox.


sawtooth    Posted 02-28-2005 at 09:52:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thank you. I found myself RANTING (YELLING) at the radio (Rush's program) before NAFTA was enacted, especially when callers weren't allowed a say about what was obviously going to happen. For everything else Rush made fun of Clinton, but when it came to this trade deal he crawled in the same bed. How far down this road do we go til he and the government (both sides) admit it's a mistake?


Les    Posted 02-28-2005 at 14:13:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, you might as well get over it. The world has changed. You don't want to go back only you just don't know it. You must belong to a union. Try thinking for yourself for a change.
I don't give a flip one way or the other for NAFTA. I have plans to die on a different hill than that.


toolman    Posted 02-28-2005 at 09:59:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
mulroney a conservate prime minister here in canada started nafta and a liberial finished it,it has destroyed a large part of what we had and is still bad for us, we have lost much of what the states has and more in some places to countries like mexico,it should have been scrapped long ago,bad deal for us all i think .


Hogustus    Posted 02-28-2005 at 12:13:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I doubt there will be any admission of wrongness ever. Conagra,ADM etc could care less since theirs is a true global market. Spect they were way ahead of anyone else on it and I dare say designers. Some are mabe too redfaced to admit error which would or should enclude the Farm Bureau sad to say. I argued but wound up a voice in tha wilderness.As a County FB We were adamantly opposed to it. But hey, We're just a bunch of ignorant hillbillies.


toolman    Posted 02-28-2005 at 12:22:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup i know same here but it has been hard on some worse on others and probaly will continue along that path ,like you say for along time to come, someday we may get someone who will listen and care .doubt it but hey maybe.


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