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WWII Nazi War Medals......Am i in the wrong???
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Old Coot    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:33:55       [Reply]  [No Email]

Now im just a simple man and try to work hard on my farm but when im not doing that i have a hobby....I collect WWII Medals, uniforms etc. etc. i collect mostly american and nazi...It all started years back when my older brother passed away and i got some of his items...I got his uniform and medals and a bayonet...But i also got a box full of nazi items too....From then on when ever i found the stuff at auctions or antique store i bought it...Well recently i got a call from the high school history teacher... They were studying about WWII and about the awful things that happened with the nazis...He asked me to bring in some nazi items...so i came in to class i had a nazi flag and arm bands some iron crosses a helemet and some very rare german SS pieces....I showed it all the the class and did what the teacher asked....On the way out to my pickup after it was over i was confronted by a man that was angry about these items being shown to people in a school...He attacked me and pushed me on the ground told me the stuff needed to be burnt and that i was disrespectfull.... A 20 some year old kid pushing down a 70 year old man...I told him i had served my time in US army and that these items were a part of history no matter what evil they once represented...Since the attack i have had threat letters in the mail and someone has cut my fences down twice...I dont have any nazi beliefs and i think what the nazi party did was terrible but i am a collector and a history buff...Am i in the wrong???


sawtooth    Posted 03-03-2005 at 10:21:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What you're saying reminds me of the British prince (Harry? I forgot his name) that went to a costume party a couple months ago dressed up like a Nazi. The news media made a big deal over it. It was as if, by going to the party dressed that way he was honoring??? Nazis. In that context I don't see where it was a big deal. That reminds me of when I was a kid, my dad had a rubber mask of a President he didn't care for (won't mention any name- this one I didn't forget). Wearing that was a spoof on the man, not honoring him!


oslo in nc    Posted 03-03-2005 at 09:07:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Coot; After reading your post, the name doesn't seem appropriate. You must report this incident to the authorities. Should anything more serious happen to you it will be on record and will be important information in the prosecusion, if it goes to that. The presentation you made in that school is protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That kid was denying your freedom of speach and freedom from fear. If anything, that punk's actions were exactly what Hitler's men were doing back then. He was trying to supress the truth and history by threats and doing you bodily harm. The act that he commited is right out of Hitler's handbook and that punk doesn't have a clue. You can't let his intimidation supress your freedoms. You must not ignore that because that is exactly what the people of Germany did. When the Germans had the laws to hold Hitler's actions accountable, they chose to do nothing, thus giving Hitler exactly what he wanted. Don't let that happen. Stop their supression of your rights.

Thank you for your service to our country and thank you for not forgetting history. And, please don't let history repeat itself by not reporting this incident to the authorities.


Mudcat49    Posted 03-03-2005 at 04:10:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe that 20 something year old punk would like to try and push this 55 year old man to the ground! A a$$ kicking is in order here! But that would be the wrong thing to do. REPORT THIS TO THE LAW NOW!


~Lenore    Posted 03-02-2005 at 22:02:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dear Old Coot, that is a "hate crime"!!
That man should be arrested. You should definitely report the attack and also every threat made to you and your property. This nut sounds dangerous. Please report it to the authorities and maybe even your local FBI.
We do not want to be reading about another attack against you in the news.


Dug    Posted 03-02-2005 at 21:09:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Of course you are not wrong. And you should press charges against the 20 year old punk, or just have the living crap kicked out of him. Might be the best thing that ever happened to him!

Dug


deadcarp    Posted 03-02-2005 at 20:08:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
even in germany they believe in "never forget" - in their instance it means never forget how an entire population was led down a rosy path by politicians smart enough to capitalize on voter apathy. in my opinion we could heed their experience. your attacker apparently lacks the confidence to express himself thru words - let's hope he at least learns that freedom includes others' opinions. :)


Bob/Ont    Posted 03-02-2005 at 20:07:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ol Coot, these people where listening with their ears shut. The most frightening thing is the close resembelance their attitude is to that of the Nazi's Youth Movement of the 40's
Later Bob


big fred    Posted 03-02-2005 at 19:57:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree, he committed an assault, and at very least needs a visit, preferably from the police. He sounds like a fascist in his own right, as so many of the "politically correct" activists are.


SY    Posted 03-02-2005 at 18:52:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
In Connecticut it is a fellony to assault a person over 60.


Les    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:52:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
That kid should be charged with assault and battery.
Maybe if you had an autographed picture of Jane Fonda he mighta been justified.
";^o


toolman    Posted 03-02-2005 at 20:46:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
a 20 year old isn,t a KID, but your right about one thing he should be assulted and battered and then charged for what he did to this gentleman.


Red Dave    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:42:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
No, you are not wrong. Those are historical artifacts. To bury our heads in the sand and pretend the Nazi's didn't exist will only cause future generations to forget the terrible things they did.
The guy who pushed you committed assault, now someone (possibly the same moron) is harrassing you. Both these things are against the law.
You should file a police report.


New-Gen    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:35:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
"He attacked me and pushed me on the ground told me the stuff needed to be burnt and that i was disrespectfull.... A 20 some year old kid pushing down a 70 year old man...I told him i had served my time in US army and that these items were a part of history no matter what evil they once represented...Since the attack i have had threat letters in the mail and someone has cut my fences down twice..."

I believe you when you say you don't have any Nazi beliefs.....maybe somebody needs to ask the 20 year old that same question....
Let's see...you're 70 years old..which would put you at being born in 1935 or so, right? Obviously you were too young to have fought the Nazis but I'm sure you would have had a closer connection to what was going on in the world at the time than some 20 year old punk who has to harrass a 70 year old man to make himself feel big...
NG


Old Coot - Thank you ever    Posted 03-02-2005 at 21:39:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes i was born in 1935...I never served in combat during WWII but two of my brothers did...I was in the army in the early 50s I was going to be shipped out to korea but i was in a car accident and hurt my back...So i served the rest of my time taking it easy in the states and was finally discharged honorable...One of my brothers was a sarge his squad got pinned down on a hillside by germans...The whole squad was slaughtered except my brother...He got two purple hearts out of that deal...He is the one i got all the collectables from...My other brother was on a flight crew on a B-17 flying fortress...They were shot down over france but my brother made it home...And before WWII my dad was in WWI....So i have a family history with the US army...I just cant understand why people get so offended by history....I knew everyone here would understand where i was coming from on this deal...I thought about pressing charges and i seriously think i might after this whole fence cutting and the letters...


KatG    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:29:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No you are NOT wrong at all...and that man should have his a$$ whipped...got any sons and grandsons to do the job...Mkaes me so mad when some idiot acts like that...Truly sorry...It is everyones right to collect and show what they want to...KAtG


Richard    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:06:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
US solgiers have been bringing this stuff home evr since the Civil War I suppose. I have a German helmet my grandad brought home from France in 1918. One of my couson's brought home some communist stuff from Vietnam, Wonder if this nut teenager would push down a solgier today and claim he was a bathist, or an Islamic fundimentalist if he had an old Iraqi flag?



Scott S.    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:05:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Old Coot...Thank you! You are the connection to a time gone by that my children need to meet and listen to in order to KNOW why we are today the people we've become. Bestowed upon you are the symbols we must look to to remind us of what we MUST avoid at all cost. There is no excuse for those in our society to return to the views those medals represent. Sadly, your current situation is the other end of the spectrrum we also have to deal with. Some are so taken with "what is right" that they lose sight of the prize. It is not right for those against the nazi view to take out their feelings on one who served. Do not let their behavior taint what those medals MEAN. They are what we cannot let ourselves ever be. We cannot be symbols of racism, hatred, and supremecy. Those medals are a reminder that chosing such a path can only lead to destruction.

Every year, I work with my students to learn about the holocaust; before we read the play of the Diary of Anne Frank. We need our children to understand the evil that event wields. They cannot let such a hideous concept regain control of any part of the world. You and your medals can carry that message to them more directly than anything I can ever present. Thank you for caring enough to do just that!

Not everyone in your postition is capable of sharing their experiences or those of their family members. My great uncle has a collection of similar medals himself. I know he took them off of dead soldiers; I think to reassure himself the nightmare was over. When asked where they came from he can only answer, "I was among the first (allied troops) into Buchenvald, and I took these from soldiers who didn't need them anymore. Anything beyond that is too painful for him to retell. Unfortunately, I feel we'll lose him before he tells us his tale. I can't imagine being a part of such important work as liberating a camp like Buchenvald, and being so sickened by it you can't take any pride in the important work you've done. The horror HAS to be unfathomable.

To you, Old Coot, I again say thanks. What you do is important. What you and your brother did was (and is still) important. I wish those who torment you could see the error of their ways.

Sincerely and humbly,

Scott S.


Fawteen    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:59:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Only thing I can think is that someone mistook your intent.

Nazi memorabilia is BIG with the neo-Nazi/skinhead/white supremacist/militia movement.


bo    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:47:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
No. You weren't wrong. The kid is just that, a kid with no idea what he's doing. I know other collectors of Nazi stuff. Stuff is super valuable. I'll bet that there attics full of that stuff that was liberated and just laying there.

That fool Hilter needs to be studied in schools today so that the kids know that it should never be repeated.

You weren't wrong.


egh    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:43:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
i don`t think that you are wrong at all, like you said....you are historical military memorilia collector. this person that attack you over this has jump to a conclusion that you are a nazi sympathizer, instead of taking the time to talk to you. carry on with your collection. best wishes, egh


Bob    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:37:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
If they were collected as "spoils of war" and displayed as such, I would think showing them would serve to educate youth about a horrific time in our history, rather than glorify the nazis!


Old Coot    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:44:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thats why i collect them to aducate....The guy acted like i was pretending to be hitler....i have sevral war items...American and German...Most of the time they are all on loan the the local musuem


Old Coot    Posted 03-02-2005 at 16:45:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry i meant educate


toolman    Posted 03-02-2005 at 20:57:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
i don,t think you did anything wrong and i don,t think you shoud allow this to slide either , maybe talk to your police, and see what they say, a 20 year old isn,t a kid and doing something like that to you , as far as im concerned he should be help accountable.


Grove r    Posted 03-02-2005 at 17:39:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't sweat it OC...you did absolutely nothing wrong!! I would dearly love to see the artifacts from the enemy the soldiers of our two countrys faught against.....I guess we should ban all the documentarys on TV that depict both sides of a conflict, so we can live in a narrow minded existance about what realy happened....on BOTH sides...if there is one thing that can avert future conflicts, it would have to be education..... understanding your enemy is the key to defeating him!!!! have a good one, R.E.L.


midway    Posted 03-03-2005 at 05:52:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
You were not wrong Old Coot!!!! Report this and stop it before it goes any further. Stop this punk now.


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