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Still no pine tree uses
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ron pack    Posted 06-18-2002 at 04:33:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I called all the wood preservers, wood chippers, pulpwood, sawmills in 100 miles, nobody wants anything to do with 5 acres of "hybrid" pine, (thats what I was told they were), planted for fast growing lumber.
So I guess I will, cut out what ever I think will make a good fence post, dry that, and treat it some way, (hey, it's a free fence post), mulch and chip what I can, and burn and bury the rest. use the mulch on walking paths and roads, I know pine mulch won't last long, but I'll have a bunch of it. waste not=want not.


Hal/WA    Posted 06-18-2002 at 12:24:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
When I was a kid, my Dad got several hundred split cedar posts that had been made from cedars that were about 12" in diameter. We had an open shed that we treated the posts in, to keep the rain from getting in the barrels. There were about 10 55 gallon barrels that we would stand the posts up in and fill them as deep as we could with a mixture of used crankcase oil and other liquids, probably penta and creosote. We usually soaked the posts for a couple of months and then turned them over to soak the other end for about the same length of time. When he thought they had soaked long enough, we stacked them on a drip rack that caught any liquid that did not stay in the post for reuse in the soaking barrels. The posts we made this way lasted a long time. Some of them are still holding up fence 35 years later. We found that if you did not treat both ends, the tops rotted off before the ones in the ground. The treated posts were dirty and it was impossible to handle them without really getting messy.

We tried some Ponderosa pine posts that we made from trees on our property and treated the same way. At best these posts lasted about 10 years. Since our ground is rocky, often it is a lot of work to dig a post hole. We did not think the ponderosa pine posts were worth fooling with after our experiment.

I doubt that you can get penta or creosote these days. Maybe there is something to replace those chemicals and maybe the crankcase oil would be enough. But from my point of view, the pine posts are just not worth much, and would not be worth my effort. Maybe they would be OK if they were CCA pressure treated, but you can not do this yourself. I use metal posts that I can drive with a post pounder and occasionally set a used railroad tie for a gate or corner post.

It bothers me that there just isn't much use for small pine trees. I have many hundred on my property and have removed quite a few. Normally I just pile them and burn them in the wet time of the year.


Nathan(GA)    Posted 06-18-2002 at 08:31:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's got to where you can't harly give small pines away. You bought have to let 'em have it just to thin here. The state is putting in a divided 4 lane near here. They are piling and burning a bunch of 4-6 in pines. Loggers get the hardwood in the bottoms.

A friend told me some company was buying small tall pines for making fence posts. That's about all the post here are made of. Used to be creosote, now it's that green stuff. The green don't last half what the creosote did.

Guess I aint been a bit of help. You can have a heck of a bonfire for the community, provided it's not dry like here!


DeadCarp    Posted 06-18-2002 at 08:16:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
How cold does your garage get and how much time do you spend out there? Might be worth buying an old wood stove. :)


Ron Pack    Posted 06-18-2002 at 10:07:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm gonna use some of it for heat, but I think the best use is for fence post, I called the company that uses small pines for post, but even if I cut it and haul it to them, they want to sort thru it and pick just the good stuff. When I asked them how much they got for a treated post, it was $6.15 for a 7', 4" dia.
I been reading about solar kilns..........
and I can buy creasote, and it's legal in VA, in 55 gallon drums......
And I need fence post.
This 5 acres I'm clearing, is just part of 35 acres, and it's planted so thick you can't walk thru it, but thinning the rest is another task for a later date


F14...Bummer...    Posted 06-18-2002 at 06:48:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pine chips will decompose relatively rapidly, but that's not a bad thing, it's called "compost". I've used alder chips (which decompose even faster) to fill wet holes, and for a base under straw or hay bedding in animal pens. A thick "paving" of chips over paths will also make a pretty nice walking surface, and the mulch effect plus the acidic nature of the decomposed chips will keep it pretty much weed free. I've also used fresh wood chips to mulch my raspberry plants, and semi-decomposed chips to mulch my rhubarb.


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