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Put them Ciggs out with This set up!
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Mark Hendershot    Posted 06-30-2002 at 15:59:40       [Reply]  [No Email]

This is my Home Fire Pump set up. It has 5 nozzels on different hoses. 5 Gals of Class A Fire Foam/Wetting Agent for the Tank Mix. About 700 ft of 1 1/2 inch hose here. 3 are for fast take out you can grab and run. 2 are for remote areas futher away. I also have a set up at the shop you can grab and run to the pump for hook/up and go to the small barn for the sprinklers on there roofs or nozzel use at those buildings. They have another 500 ft of 1 1/2 inch hose for use. This is all ran off my 5 1/2 hp 120 gal a min @ 75 psi Gasoline pump hooked to the 6,000 gal storage tank which is also fed off the well for refilling it. I have about 3,000.00 invested into this system but the insurance company paid haft during the last big fire. This included the tank and installing it underground. Might be a little over kill but makes you feel better you can fight back when mother nature gets mad! The nozzels can spray 40 to 95 gal per min of water and spray a stream out to around 60 ft. plus! You can wet down the place real fast when you need it. I hope I never need it again but it is there if I do! Mark H.


Hal/WA    Posted 06-30-2002 at 22:02:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Neat setup, Mark! What kind of tank did you use, metal, plastic, concrete, or what? Did having this in place lower your insurance very much? What do you have to do to prime the pump? Do you have electric start?

I have thought about a system using the above ground swimming pool, but your setup seems much better. Is your pump right over the tank? Do you have a hatch into the tank so a fire department pumper could draft water to run through the fire engine pump?

First the new barn, now this neat fire suppression system! I'm envious... What's next?


Mark H. Tank Picture    Posted 06-30-2002 at 23:00:36       [Reply]  [No Email]

This is the 6,000 gal tank coverd with 3+ ft of dirt. As you can see from the back ground it comes in handy! I put this in while the fire was still burning. Used water out of it to put a lot of hot spots out with. That hill is where the fire came down to my home with 30 mph wind driving it. got to 10 ft of the buildings and it jumped the fire line too. Lucky I had the place all wet or we would have lost it all. Flames were over 100 ft tall in that brush and the gas fire ball rolled over the fire break around 40-50 ft. like a big wave that is when I ran for cover. You can see the small hose fill pipe and the 2 inch suction pip along with the 4 inch capped pipe for a hose to be droped into the tank to pump out of it. There is a 3 ft square 1/4 inch thick plate bolted to the top of the tank to get access inside if needed under the dirt. Mark H.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 06-30-2002 at 22:42:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I bought a Used Gasoline tank for 500.00 then paid 250.00 to have it deliverd. paid 250.00 to have the hole dug and put under ground. The tank is 16 ft long and 8 ft high and made of 3/16 " steel. The pump is Gasoline and starts with 1 pull on the starter rope. I got the pump for around 400.00 and mounted it in a old Generator wheeled frame with a bigger gas tank. The pump is self priming and is allways primed so it pumps right away. Bought the fire hose off ebay for around 25.00 to 27.00 a 75 ft roll. The fire department can stick a three inch suction line down a big pipe I have mounted to the top of the tank. I also have a 2 inch that goes to the bottom and a redused 2 in with a garden hose fitting to fill it with. I will post a picture of the tank set up. I put the tank under ground for looks and freeze protection. I ca use the water in other emergencys too for drinking or what ever like my well breaking down till I can fix it. I drain the pipes during the winter but could draft out of it any time I want. I have a 200 ft 1 1/2" fire hose with a 1 inch 25 gal a min nozzel set up in the garage off my well for winter use for house protection I keep it dry and the valve for it is inside to protect it from freeze up. It dose not lower the fire insurance but makes them happy to cover me in a high fire risk area. To lower it it has to be automatic. My roof sprinklers are on 1 1/2 inch rigid steel pipe above the roof line. They are 40 gal per min and cover a 160 ft circle and I can turn them on if I have to wet the place down or leave during a bad fire when it is close. 6,000 gals is like 30 of our brush trucks full of water to put on the place. That would take for ever to get them to do that in a fire! With this set up at least I feel I have a chance of stopping a fire. Mark H.


Theresa    Posted 07-14-2004 at 16:09:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi,

Could you tell me what a 1 1/2" brass fire nozzel value is. Stamped on bottom front: P.N.Y. 1 1/2 "
stamped on bottom back: N S D S D Do you have any idea what that might mean? I need to sell some things quickly. Family emergency. Any help eould be appreicated.


Hal/WA    Posted 06-30-2002 at 23:27:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would be real careful about drinking water stored in a used gasoline tank--there could be lead residues or other bad stuff. But if I was thirsty enough, I would probably drink it. It would be fine for everything else. 6000 gallons is a lot of cushion if you have well or pump problems.

When I was in college, I fought fire as summer help for our local fire district. You can do a lot of brush fire fighting with 300 gallons of water on a 4 wheel drive brush rig, if you get there early enough. But 300 gallons is nothing in a fire storm situation. You might be able to save yourself and the truck. Maybe.

Anyone living in a wooded or rural area needs to be prepared for a large fire coming through, possibly wind driven and very fast. Metal or good composition roofs that are kept free of debris goes a long way. Years ago, we had a wind driven fire go through a suburban housing development adjacent to a golf course, but with forest and dry fields all around it. The development also had many pine trees around the houses. It was impossible to stop the fire until the wind died down, and many houses were completely burned. It was eerie to drive through that development a few days later and see a few standing houses that were damaged very little, surrounded by burned out foundations. All the houses that survived had composition roofs. Most of the houses that burned had the expensive and beautiful split cedar shakes. And this was in a planned development with an adequate water system with hydrants.

My guess is that if a fire storm went through your place, you would have a good chance to save most of what you have built up. Good job!


Mark Hendershot    Posted 07-01-2002 at 08:14:32       [Reply]  [No Email]

This tank had been cleaned by some EPA crew that is why it had a hole cut in the top for them to get into the inside. There was no trace of residue in it. I have drinking water stored in other containers. Last years fire was a fire storm! 1,000s of trees burnt in the 70,000 ac. fire. I lost around 100 myself. Mostly small ones but a few big trees crowned by the barn area. We lost 9 homes around me. To the right of that area in the other picture. You can see by this picture how hot it got. Also real close to loseing everything. It can't get much worst then this again. Those trees you see by the house were inside the yard and had there branches cut up 10-15 ft off the ground along with the duff cleaned up below them, ever other tree burnt behind me! This is where it stopped at the edge of the backs of the buildings where it was wet down good. Mark H.


Hal/WA    Posted 07-01-2002 at 22:50:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow, that's closer than I would want to be. It must have been a really scary time! I heard it was a huge fire. Glad you were able to save your buildings.

Now your fire danger is much less, as I would guess that most of the duff, small trees and stuff that really burns is gone. I have heard that before the White Men came to the West, the Indians occasionally ran fires through their areas, if lightning did not start them. The result was there were a few large trees per acre with lots of open area around them. Since we have been doing so much fire suppression for the last hundred years or more, the potential fire load has gotten so huge, that any fire during the very dry part of the year can be catastrophic for that area. Those fires end up being ground fires and crown fires through the closely spaced trees. When a fire goes through like that, almost nothing is left down to mineral soil.

One of the recent ideas is to run controlled burns through areas during the wetter times of the year to get rid of some of the fire load. This seems like a good idea to me, but with the laws concerning air pollution and the real danger of a controlled burn getting away from you, I really don't know how practical it is, at least in some places.

I had some logging done a couple of years ago when the prices for large Ponderosa logs were really good. I have been cleaning up ever since, doing small controlled burns of piles the loggers and I made. I hope to reduce the fire load on my property, so if a fire goes through I might not lose all of my woods. I think I could save all my buildings. There have been fires fairly close over the years, but none have damaged my property. But it could happen any fire season. Scary thoughts!


Mark Hendershot    Posted 07-01-2002 at 23:30:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
My fuel load is about zero now just grass and I mow that down close to the buildings. It did burn the brush and duff real good. I just wish it had burnt when the weather was better and it would not have taken so many trees at the same time. But I guess I am lucky since now it will be another 20 plus years for it to build up again like it was befor. It takes time to keep your place free of fuel but it is worth it! I would never live in the trees then it is only a matter of time till you lose everthing in a fire. You can't stop a crown fire but grass is easy when it is short. I just put a bid on a one inch Turbo Nozzle made by Acron nice adjustible one from 12-30 gal per min with fog to stream to go down to the large barn on its 1 inch supply line. 400.00 nozzle and I might get it for under 100.00 if I am lucky! Mark H.


Hal/WA    Posted 07-02-2002 at 00:41:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Can you get 30 gpm from a 1" line? Your prior photos suggest that the new barn is a ways from your house. One of the things you have to worry about on long runs of hose or pipe is friction loss. If I was going to go to the trouble of putting a line underground I would raise the diameter to lessen this friction loss. But maybe you have a better idea. You seem to have a lot of them.

Your barn looks like it would do OK in a fire if the doors were all tightly closed to keep any wind blown fire away from cumbustables inside. The metal skin will shed embers very well. I have seen barnyards burn though, if the manure is dry. Believe it or not, a manure pile fire can be very hard to put out.

Like you say, a crown fire is impossible to deal with. You haven't lived until you see the trees crowning abouve your fire truck. And most grass fires are not too bad to put out or control, if the grass is not too high. The ones I hated were the standing grain fires that we sometimes had during harvest. These could put flames 40 to 50 feet in the air and can travel at high speeds on even calm days. They create their own draft and roar loudly. The popping grain also makes a lot of noise. They always told us that if we were in front of a grain fire that you could not outrun the fire and the only chance someone had of surviving it would be to run back through the fire, which would be more or less out in 50 or so feet behind the fire. I almost had to test that once when my 56 Dodge tanker engine quit in front of the fire. Luckily I managed to restart it when the fire was about 20 feet away and drove back through the flames. A little scorched paint, but I was worried about the external gas tank. Not a fun time!

Good luck to you. I hope this fire season is a little easier on all of us than last year.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 07-02-2002 at 08:24:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
The large barn is fed by 1 inch and is lower than the house and is good for about 29gpm with the 1 inch hydrants used. I have increased my house presser to 65 lbs and that makes the barn around 70+ psi. The rest of the buildings are fed with 1 1/2 inch lines. If I had to I could take my 1 1/2 inch hose to the barn area. I have a fire trail between the house and the big barn along with them around the other buildings (I designed my gravel drives to do this)I park my portable tank/pump on a trailer at the big barn now and it can put out more water. The big barn is all metal and has Role up doors to close in a fire with concrete under them to stop embers from blowing under them. I do keep the barn clean to the dirt about 15 ft from the sides and the open doors that can be closed are 50 ft plus from grass or any thing that can burn. With this many buildings to protect (5) The big barn was made sort of fire proof (all metal) The smaller barn is around 150 ft from the house and is wood but is also cleared to dirt around it and has a sprinkler on top that can wet a 160 ft circle around it. All buildings either have gravel or dirt around them with no brush near them also with over head 40 gpm sprinkles. I also have a barricade Gel set up for any thing that may be hard to protect that I can spray. The reason it is set up this way is because I carry a Red Card for fighting fires and know what can happen. Been on a few nasty ones and don't want it to happen to my place. Mark H.


Nathan(GA)    Posted 06-30-2002 at 19:38:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nice setup Mark!


Mark Hendershot    Posted 06-30-2002 at 19:42:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Makes watering the yard fun too! Every kid allways wanted to have his own Fire Hose to play with. Mark H.


EIEIO    Posted 06-30-2002 at 18:06:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark if I use your Cigg Out Machine I wouldn't have to worry about quitting I would drown. Thanks anyway.


Mark Hendershot    Posted 06-30-2002 at 18:20:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
I wish you luck with quiting I know you can do it. I will someday too. You can't smoke when you use these the back spray will put it out! Mark H.


Bob /Ont.    Posted 06-30-2002 at 16:26:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mark!! all them cigamarksists are gona want one now.
Later Bob


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