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Tax assessor visit
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Tom A    Posted 07-02-2002 at 05:04:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Had a lady from our Tax assessment office do a "routine" visit the other day while I wasn't home (of course!). Apparently it is done every 3 years here on ag property. When we bought 3 1/2 years ago, we had to fill out a form that listed what we were going to be farming, nobody ever questioned it and we're doing exactly what we'd said. She was actually looking around the place when my wife got home mid-day!

We have a lot of small ventures...bees & honey, eggs, hay, and veggies so far and have been learning/building a milk goat herd as well.

Her comment to my wife was "don't you have any *large* animals?" Seems in her opinion if you don't have a herd of cows, you aren't really farming. Don't know if her opinion counts for anything, but the wife says she had a bad attitude about small farms.

One old neighbor said he doesn't even let them on his property...they do their report on his place from the side of the road!

Whatever, can't let 'em get us down.

Y'all have a great day!

Tom


Swamptrot    Posted 07-02-2002 at 19:54:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ok, this may be a bit extreem but it wouldnt be out there if it didnt work (well maybe).

http://www.michiganmilitia.org/html/patroits.htm

Grab yerself a few signs and load yer shotgun.

Swamptrot


screaminghollow    Posted 07-02-2002 at 18:24:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Here in PA our county hires an arial photography outfit to take pictures of the entire county. Down at the tax office they have some flunkies whose sole job is comparaing last years's pictures to this and then check the tax records for buildings. One farmer covered a large area of his garden with a tarp to kill weeds and grass. Of course the taxc office moron thought it was a gigantic building and they had a conniption trying to get on to his property to verify that there was no building. You can string the boundaries with 20,000 volts and turn mean dangerous animals loose. The damn planes and cameras will get ya.


Hal/WA    Posted 07-02-2002 at 10:45:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had an old mobile home on my property that we had lived in until we got our new house built. When I got the building permits to build the new house, I had to sign a paper stating that no one would live in the mobile home after we moved into the new house, and no one has. The mobile home was used for storage, mostly of some junk belonging to my adult children.

A couple of years ago I decided I was tired of looking at the mobile home and wanted to build a barn in the same location. I emptied the mobile home, cleaned it up nicely and made some small repairs to make it ready to sell. I advertised the mobile home for what I thought I could get for it, comparing it to ones I had seen at dealers. I got very few calls and no one with any money looked at it. Last month I advertised it for very low money and sold it to the first person who looked at it, a young man with a wife and 3 little kids just starting out. We were all pleased. I get rid of the mobile home I don't need and which is in my way, and they get a livable home for very low cost. They are putting it on some acreage his family owns.

When the new owner went to the tax office to get things straightened out to move the mobile home, he called me all excited. It turns out that the assessor had been valuing the mobile home for about 10 times what it was worth and I had been paying that amount the last 6 years, even though I really could not use the mobile home for much of anything. I went to the assessor's office and explained the situation. I still had to pay the rest of this year's taxes and NEXT YEAR'S taxes before the buyer could get the permit to move the mobile home.

This morning the appraiser from the assessor's office was here and looked over the mobile home. He agreed with me that the value of the mobile home was more like the amount the new buyer paid for it, and said he would lower the assessment. There is nothing to do about the last few years taxes, but I should get some money back or as a credit on next years taxes. The mobile home should now be able to leave my property this week.

I am upset that I have been paying all that extra money for these years. I have been taxed just the same as if the mobile home was a rental unit that I was getting income from, although no one has slept in the mobile home even one night since we moved out of it. The people at the assessor's office said they did not know anything about my being prohibited from renting the mobile home out--the building code people did not notify them. Over the years our assessment went up, but unfortunately, our county does not give an itemized assessment showing the value of each building and the land, only the grand total of the land and improvements. If they had itemized the values of individual buildings, I would probably have caught and protested this mistake.

I live in an area where the larger farms are being broken up into smaller acreages, and the per acre value of the land has really skyrocketed. With that kind of land value inflation, I expect my assessment to go up, but I expect the valuation to be reasonable... I guess I will just have to check the assessment at the County assessor's office once in a while, to make sure the values they are giving my property are realistic.

Maybe others can save some money on taxes by hearing about my little fiasco. Or is that SNAFU?



Hogman****DEPENDS    Posted 07-02-2002 at 10:12:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom it sounds like You have an "Appraiser" with an attitude. I'd try and get aquainted with tha Assesser. Some are pretty decent Folk and I'd assume HE IS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE!!!! One of which You is Ya noe! Of course it may turn out that tha Appraiser is tha nicest one of tha bunch in which You have a problem. However, each and every year by law there has to be a review board made up of "mabe" elected people,hopefuly not appointed people to whom You may contest any and all actions by the Assessor.

Remember this tho, The Assessor has no power to do anything other than evaluate Your property according to law! And, You have the right to contest that evaluation! AND if the Assessor has not passed the board of real estate appraisers You can make a big justified claim He/She is not qualified to assertain tha cottin pickin value of said diggins anyhoo! So there!!!!

NOW tha flip side of all this, first time tha appraisers came out to Our place We invited Em in for a cold drink it bein a boilin hot hi humidity day. Since that time They have always felt welcome here.When I asked about two old buildins once just sorta in passin I was told They'd taken both off tha record several years back. When We put up tha new Hay barn They priced and afterwards said Ok now what did it cost and I told Em tha truth. Theirs never changed tho tha diff was kinda big.
Tha #1 man has retired and I need ta get ta know tha new one whom I am most positive will be every bit as decent.

Now, what Ya best ,ALL of Ya keep in mind It's tha jokers in Your State Capital that set tha rates for Ag property along with tha rest. And all tooo often that bunch are city slickers as thinks tha farm bill has made us all wealthy beyond emaganatin so We can afford to and should be taxed to tha blummin hilt!!!!

It's a constant fight here in Mo and one that We are slowly losin as fewer and fewer Farmers are elected to the State Houses. Unfortunatly due to term limitations We stand to lose a bunch this year. Meanwhile tha evil and vile ones survive.


Salmoneye    Posted 07-02-2002 at 11:05:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have no idea how it is elsewhere, but here in VT the property tax rates and values are set at the town level.
The State has no say whatsoever in property value assesment...


Greg VT    Posted 07-02-2002 at 12:16:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Our tax bill for our 17 acres and 1700sq' house plus garage in Sheldon is HALF of the tax we paid on a 1600sq' house on a quarter acre lot in the Peoples Republic of Burlington. Man I couldn't get out of there fast enough...


Salmoneye    Posted 07-02-2002 at 13:11:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I live in downtown Charlotte dude. I have the largest single piece (7.94 acres) left in the 'Village Area'. My land is assesed at twice the value of the house.

The tax rate here is a sliding scale depending on location.
The base rate is a '1'.
Here in the Village, and along the lake the rate is 1.6 times the base.
On the edge near Monkton the rate is .7 of the base rate.

Location, location, location...



Hogman***WOW**    Posted 07-02-2002 at 11:32:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
That could be a boon or an absolute horror!!!!!!!
Here in Mo tha tax RATE is set by State but They also classify property and this is where They have tried ta stick it to Us in tha past by reclassifyin farm lands sorta like Toms thing?

Also here We tell tha assesser what We have in vehicles,equipment,livestock etc. Leaves a lot of room for folks ta fib a bit and a lot of stuff gets stored out in tha woods. But tha State tells tha assesser what and how.

I failed ta mention tha Assesors Pap is a friend'n tha assesser is a good friend of tha wife'n I and if You think that buys 2 cents worth of sneaky dealin I got news for Ya!!!!!!!
He's just a real great person that goes strictly by tha rules tempered with a whole lot of good country common sense. Rember that stuff?Common Sense? In short supply anymore in tha house of tha burocrat!!!!!!!Praise tha Lord when Ya find sombody as has it.


Home    Posted 07-13-2002 at 18:29:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just curious: does anyone see the fundamental
violation of personal rights in this sort of
taxation? I know it's not popular to think this
way, but didn't our forefathers fight a war to
stop far less intrusive taxation a couple of
hundred years ago? Is there an island I could
move to somewhere where they'll just leave me the
h*** alone?

(Who said: "The power to tax is the power to
destr


bob    Posted 07-02-2002 at 09:57:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
We had brome hay for pasture and hay and iI lost mt ag. rating and made it res. fought them and did no good. said brome is not farm product and land is in flood plain so leagaly can,t build. but now we will put squeesw on them. damn people in charge don,t know anything but think we,re the idoits no


Jim from Stonepile    Posted 07-02-2002 at 07:12:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
They showed up here last month. Had just gotten out of the shower and saw a car with a guy just sitting in it. Watched him a couple minuits and came real close to greeting him with a shot gun! Then he got out of the car with a clipboard and I went and talked to him. Just checking to see if any buildings had been added.


Salmoneye    Posted 07-02-2002 at 05:24:26       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Call the office that is in charge of the assesment and complain.
Here...what she did was illegal (and stupid!).
They HAVE to notify you and ask for permission to trespass.
Like the oldtimer...you do NOT have to let them onto your property or into your house or buildings...


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