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An Idea For Farmers In Drought Areas.
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Larry    Posted 07-20-2002 at 04:52:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]

I see a lot of farmers are in short supply of hay this summer because of lack of rain. Has anyone ever grown sudan grass in dry years? Farmers in this area use to plant the stuff in dry years. It doesn't take much for it to grow. All you need is just enough rain to settle the dust and it will take right off.

Clem    Posted 07-20-2002 at 07:10:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
It makes good hay. I run it through a mower/conditioner. Cows seem to like it. Never tried to graze it because of the prussic acid.

Oh Yah,Here's a page about the stuff.    Posted 07-20-2002 at 05:04:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]


Saddlebum Hay Exchange Website    Posted 07-20-2002 at 08:11:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's definitely one you want to stay away from for horses, as a grazing grass. I pulled the following statement off the sudan grass website, in case it got lost in the fine print:

"Horses should not be allowed to graze these plants as they may develop cystitis syndrome. This condition looks like colic with accompanying bloody urine and can be fatal to horses. Affected animals may show a staggering gait and urine dribbling. Pregnant mares may abort. There is no treatment for this poisoning and poor prognosis of recovery."

Not sure about how it would fare for horse hay. A lot of folks are unaware that there are lots of things that cows can eat with no problem, that horses can't, thus it's always important to find out whether any potential hay is horse quality or cattle quality.

On a different note, there's a wonderful website, the Internet Hay Exchange, that can hook up people all over the US. It's got some other neat features, such as nutritional info, and price/weight conversions. Have fun!

ger    Posted 07-20-2002 at 11:32:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
hi isn,t alot of stuff that horses shouldn,t eat LESS harmless once its been cut dried an baled ,i know you have to be careful while its growing in the pasture but i,ve always heard that once its cut an baled its ok ,sometimes there stuff like buttercups in hay around here an i heard that there bad for horses an i know they don,t eat them in the field but some hayn producers have it in there hay ,thanks ger

Saddlebum    Posted 07-20-2002 at 14:49:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Ger. A lot of stuff the horses wouldn't touch in the pasture they will accidentally eat if it's in with their hay, and that includes stuff that's bad for them. Horses and cows have such different digestive systems that what works for cows won't always work for horses, and probably vice-versa, although I don't know beans about cows (other than that they are ruminants with four stomaches and taste real good with A-1 sauce). As far as stuff being okay for them after it's baled, I do know that some things are still bad for them regardless, like fescue (which is not a problem for all horses; just pregnant mares) or Johnson grass that's baled at certain times of the year. So I looked at my reference books to be sure, and interestingly enough they say not to let them graze on Sudan, Sorghum or Dallis grass, as they may cause either cyanide poisoning or bladder infections progressing to kidney disease, but one book says the kidney problem is not associated with hay made from these grasses, just pasture grazing. But what scares me is it doesn't address whether the cyanide problem remains after cutting and curing the hay. Maybe someone else can find a reference that explains it better?

Now you know why we just planted $400 worth of bermuda seed this spring and said "fuggedaboudit." LOL

ger    Posted 07-20-2002 at 15:25:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
the bermuda seed for grazing ? my pastures are mainly wild grass except for a few acres i planted with timoithy brome an a small amoung of alpha, they don,t seem to spend much time over there,hurt my feelings but there spoiled anyway,but im thinking timoithy for when i plant some pasture for hay an i,ll let them in to graze that later before winter ,somebody on here said way back a month or so ago you have to be careful of alpha once the frost gets on it as it goes toxic , but don,t take that as gosple as i was pretty sisck then an my thinking wasn,t all that clear, not that is now as you can tell from my spelling but at least then i had an excuse haha .bye for and again thanks ger

ger    Posted 07-20-2002 at 15:07:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks for your reply , i,ve been reading your posts on here and you seem to know alot about horses and im always looking to improve my knowledge , over the years we have lost 3 wonderful horses and i dont ever want to have to go through stuff like that ever againg if theres anything i can do to stop it , so i sure appreciate your knowledge and your postsi have an old shoer friend from sask. who told me if you ever think you know all there is about horses , your the fool , so i try to learn all i can as often as time allows.but food isnt one of my strongest points an i worry about some of the hay,around here ,most of it has no desigation either for horses cow sheep etc,i i end up buying from about 3 different places an whats left over that i can,t feed to my horses i give to my neighbour in the spring for his cows.this fall im gonna plough up some acres here an plant my own an have somebody with the equipement come in an hay it for me .right now were losing more an more farmland around here to the tourists thing an the old farmers are packing it inthat sometime you have to have hey hauled in from the interio or alberta . you have no way of knowing what your buying till its here an sometime till the middle of winter when your feeding .wow im rambling again, but againg thanks an i,ll be watching your posts .thanks gerry

Saddlebum    Posted 07-20-2002 at 18:34:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Gerry, I am so sorry for your losses. It's awful to lose a horse; I've lost a couple over the years, as well. Friend in TX just lost her daughter's horse day before yesterday--three of them got out in the night and got onto the road. Shudder. Keep Frances and her daughter in your prayers. Anyways, your shoer friend is absolutely right--these horses'll keep us all humble, because we have to learn new things all the time, just to keep up with them!

Sounds like you might be a wee bit north of us towards Canada? Bermuda is a real good "hot weather" grass. It loves sunshine and months of hot weather, which is why it's the grass of choice here in Oklahoma, but timothy and orchard and coastal and lots of others work great elsewhere, and in some places are much better grass nutritionally, from what I've heard, than the bermuda.

Like you, I'm learning about the grasses--we're trying to bring some old pasture back to life at our new place. We're in our third year here, and it's sure been a learning experience. Before I'd always either boarded my horses or at our last place we were fortunate enough to be able to have pasture that was shared with a leasor who always kept it sprayed and fertilized. Wish I'd paid more attention to what he did when we were there! But we have always had to hay the horses as a supplement to the pasture, and that's about 30 years worth, so lots of hay experience here. Hoping someday to have our own hay meadow to bale our own, but that's probably a long way (and a few dollars) off.

The worst problem with the alfalfa hay and grass here is a nasty little critter called the blister beetle. It loves to nest in alfalfa during certain months here, and can accidentally get crimped in with the hay during the baling process. Even the dead beetle parts are toxic, and it only takes a handful eaten to kill a grown horse. Ugh. So if anyone ever buys alfalfa hay from Oklahoma and surrounding states, especially the cuts before June, make sure they certify it blister beetle free.

ger    Posted 07-20-2002 at 21:25:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
hi, give francis and her daughter our best we know what they are going through ,its really tough when something like that happens an i sorry for your losses as well,but when you love horses you keep going with them.we leased a place before we bought our present place an i ploughed an seeded that place an had excellent pasture, but we moved here now an i haven,t done much with it yet other than try an control some weeds by cutting. but this fall im going to plough over half an plant timoithy an brome ,and maybe orchard grass,and i guess i,ll have to put in a cover crop too,but its getting so hard to get hay around here now ,its about what we,re going to have to do,right now a lot of hay is being trucked here from southern alberta or from the interior of british columbia , its expensive and your never sure what your if i can get my own it will be handy an i,ll know what to expect and after its baled i,ll leave it for a couple of weeks and then turn the horses in for the sure glad i don,t have the cows anymore i used to have to go get 46 tons when i had them, so i shouldn,t complain about getting 8 or 10 tons now .yes alfalfa hay is more of a problem than a help i think we really only needed it when it got down around 35 or 40 below, i think an it hasn,t been like that for quite a few years around here now , a friend of our had her hay brought in from alberta last fall an it was 100 per cent alfalfa second cut she had a heck of a time trying to feed all winter a little here an a bit there an running around looking for some other stuff to mix , so you can se the importance of trying to get your hay, or at least someone you can get to know over the years an be comfortable that they will bring you what you ordered.well i better go i just got back home from work an its 1030 here an i have to have supper yet . been nice chatting with you an , i,ll look forward to reading your post ,s bye for now and thanks, ger

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