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Sinning on Sunday
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Dreamweaver    Posted 04-22-2001 at 15:31:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've got to brag - I took 2 cane poles and a box full of worms over to my pond this afternoon, and caught a stringerfull of small mouth bass and crappie. We just had fried fresh fish, homemade slaw, hushpuppies and homefries, the best iced tea this side of the Mississippi and Key Lime Pie (sorry, that was courtesy of the grocery store). Yummmmm ---- Yummmmmm ---- Good thing that Southern Baptist Preacher didn't come by to see why I was playing hookie from church this morning, LOL. He'da probably pulled up a stump and stayed a while! heehee

wapial    Posted 04-23-2001 at 10:33:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
went to the columbia river last week and caught 2 nice spring salmon gonna smoke those babies!if that's sinning I think I will do a lot more of it!
I did enjoy the peace and quiet tho.also some beautiful scenery! great sunday

Mudcat49    Posted 04-22-2001 at 20:28:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Two "good Ol' Boys" talking about Heaven:
"Bubba, you reckon there will be beer in heaven?"
"Bubba, you reckon there will be fishing in heaven?"
"Dunno, Jeb."
"Well Bubba if they don't have beer and fishing, why the he11 do they call it Heaven?"
Wait a minute DW, you caught fish, cleaned them, cooked them and then served them with all the trimmings? Are you a angel?

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-23-2001 at 03:37:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Muddy, well, who else was gonna do it?

M.R.    Posted 04-22-2001 at 22:40:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW may be a little bit of something in common with my ole female blue he11ar, in a certain type of light, you can see the horns holding up the halo. ;o}

LazyHorse    Posted 04-22-2001 at 15:48:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW: I personally don't think you can get any closer to God than when you are in the great outdoors enjoying the splendor that he provided for us.

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-22-2001 at 15:52:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree Lazyhorse - It really bothers me that when I do go to church, if I miss a Sunday, they come rushing in like I had better be in the ICU at the hospital or something. Me and my horse enjoyed the afternoon, girls were at friends' houses. I rode the horse over there, she stood alongside the bank and drank leisurely from the pond as I fished, and it was all in all a great day! Nice and peaceful.

LazyHorse    Posted 04-22-2001 at 19:32:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
I haven't been in Church for so long except for weddings & funeral's, that the roof would probably fall in. I am a firm believer in god, but most churches I have been to tend to be too political for me. I always figured the way you live your life, and how you treat other folks and critters has more bearing on being a good christian than how much you put in the collection plate. This thought may enrage some folks, but it is just my opinion. :-)

IHank    Posted 04-22-2001 at 20:36:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
LH- Careful 'cuz your going to have your own "congregation" with talk like that. IHank

LazyHorse    Posted 04-22-2001 at 20:39:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry IHank I didn't mean to be preaching to anyone.

IHank    Posted 04-22-2001 at 21:01:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Lazy Horse- The road to he11 is paved with good intentions. You got a "congregation of one" here so get ready for what's coming.

I'm not a "foxhole convert", just a man that's seen and experienced The Grace of God first hand while I was in Vietnam thirty some years ago.

This so called "organized religion" has been a huge problem in every society all thru history. Recommend read Jim Mitchner's "The Source" for some perspective, then ponder what's going on in the world with all these people trying to cram their beliefs down others throats.

What is important is what you belive in your heart and that you also practice in your day to day contacts with other people. The modern "random acts of kindness" is just a yuppie version of The Golden Rule.

The pulpit is again open, NEXT! IHank

Richard White    Posted 04-22-2001 at 21:56:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't get me started on this subject.I will tell you that I'm with preacher IHank. It's what's in your heart not what someone tells you whats there or supposed to be.Sister Dreamweaver, brother LazyHorse, carry on your doing it right.

Larry    Posted 04-23-2001 at 06:50:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Amen! There has been too many people killed over this religion thing.It's kind of a paradox.Most religions preach about not killing,but they will kill people to promote their religion.What am I missing here?

RWhite    Posted 04-23-2001 at 08:06:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hear you Larry. I work in the middle east and even the koran says thou shalt not kill but look what they do over there.Muslims must pray 5 times a day. It's just like over here , the weak will listen to anything all it takes is one bad apple to ruin the whole basket.I feel it's better to run on your own that way your responsible for your own actions.No one else to blame.

Murphy    Posted 04-23-2001 at 13:45:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Hey there folks! This is an interesting discussion with a lot of good points. I agree with many of them especially in respect to "religion". I do have to caution you just a bit, though. It's a different story if you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That is a relationship that needs attention just like any other relationship does. You gotta spend time with Him for the relationship to grow. I'd encourage you to take the next rainy Sunday when the fish aren't biting and go and see if you can grow that relationship.

Oh and for the record... Yup, I am a Southern Baptist preacher and you all are busted!!! See you in church next Sunday! ;^)

LazyHorse    Posted 04-23-2001 at 14:03:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Are you saying we can't get close to God or Jesus unless we attend Church?

Murphy    Posted 04-23-2001 at 14:59:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nope! But I am saying that if we are close to God and saying that we know Him and serve Him, we'd do what He tells us to do. One of the things He tells us to do is to meet together. There are times we have to be alone with God also. If you're always alone with God and never with anyone else (like in church) you're missing out. By the same token, if you are always meeting with God in church, and that's the only place you meet Him, you're missing out.

Put it this way, if I only saw my wife when no one else was around, she'd be pretty unhappy with our relationship. She'd think I was embarassed to be associated with her. On the other hand, if I only spent time with her when I was in a crowd, our relationship would have no depth and she'd feel like a trophy or a badge that I wore on special occasions.

I guess what I'm trying to get to is that you should be spending time alone with God and in a corporate setting out of obedience to Him. I believe both are necessary for a good healthy relationship.

RWhite    Posted 04-23-2001 at 16:16:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Murphy: I was raised Assembly of God since I was born in 1948. I was required to go to church 3 times a week as per my father. I was pronounced dead at 17 from a motorcycle accident. How long I was dead I don't know but I wish I could explain, no, I wish you could feel the total and complete peace I felt.I remember thinking how selfish I was to feel so free. I seen the light, I didn't make to the light, or meet people from the other side but I have something in my heart that I can't overcome and that is how I see and treat others.I have gone back to church on and off.I have seen the congregation run off a preacher that wouldn't look past some of their small indiscrations.I have seen some of the elders of the church chase other men's wives. Drunk or drinking on off days and stand there on Sunday condemming others.I just can't do it Murphy. What I have I won't let people like that ruin. Sorry about the length and the spelling.

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-23-2001 at 15:34:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why do I feel like I'm gonna regret revisiting this, but here goes....

I am a Christian, and I believe in God. I do attend church, but my problem is that I do not feel like I should have to be accountable to the church every time I decide to take a notion and not show up. I believe that it is perfectly okay for me to rest my body, especially if I've had a tough week, and relax on Sunday. I believe you can have peaceful thoughts and a relationship with the Lord without having to sit and be judged by others about why you have or have not decided to spend have your day attending church services. I enjoy church. It is a part of my life. But I also enjoy other things, and I believe God understood that I needed a day to myself, without being surrounded by others, having to put on a smile, fake some happy conversation, get all dressed up, etc. I believe I believe God knows why I was fishing. I was just joking around when I wrote it like I did, about "sinnin on Sunday." Your response Murphy, is exactly why I worded it like I did. While I agree with you in most of your thoughts, I don't believe you can't be close to God if you aren't there everytime the Custodian opens the doors. JMO.

LazyHorse    Posted 04-23-2001 at 16:33:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
AMEN, DW. I appologize if I changed the meaning of your original text. I was just adding my opinion. I've spent a lot of time praying, repenting, and meditating. I just don't beleive you have to do it in an organized church atmosphere. :-)

IHank    Posted 04-23-2001 at 18:38:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
LH- There's no doubt, DW is a good Christian woman and her comments were/are honest and well meaning. You have stated the essence of the argument here- some don't need a "group grope" to be/feel religous and others do. What is needed is for the power & control freaks to leave the rest of us alone, and they gotta have the crowd/mob style situation is a requirement for them to succeed with their agendas.

What "brand" don't matter... Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Southern Baptists, Mormons, you name it, even political fanatics, they all must have the crowd/mob situation to impose their will and beliefs on the people.

I'm with what Dreamweaver said... Only difference is that I don't bother with a fish hook on the line so's you don't get distracted fiddling with fish, just go sit on the bank, pray and meditate, and enjoy nature and God's blessings when possible. IHank

Murphy    Posted 04-24-2001 at 10:50:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mudcat, DW and others... I'm sorry if I came off sounding like you had to be in church every time the doors were open. No way do I advocate that. Preachers are the worst of the bunch at that point and it's their kids that too often pay the price! All I'm trying to say is that there must be a balance. You can't go to one side or the other exclusively. You can't do it alone and you can't expect others to do it all for you. :)

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 13:48:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
NP Rev. I was just funnin when I was makin fun of the So. Baptist Preacher catching me fishin on Sunday. But seriously, around here in the Bible Belt, most So. Baptists are so radical about their beliefs. I personally don't hold to most of um, like smokin is a sin (No, I don't smoke, but it's no worse than over eating, drinking, etc.), fishin on Sunday, playing cards is bad, dancing is bad, etc. I think that is just a bunch of bull. To me, all those rules are what makes a person not want to go. The only rules I go by are common sense good living and I try the best I can to live as close to the Bible rules as possible. I'm not perfect, but then again, that is what Jesus was for, huh? Sure Rev, I'll fish with you any Sunday ;-) (and I won't tell nobody either), heehee......

Father Murphy    Posted 04-24-2001 at 14:39:38       [Reply]  [No Email]

That would be "The Good-Right Reverend" to you! :) j/k!! My response back was funnin' about being caught.

I have to admit that I've spent very little time in the "Bible Belt" but from what I've seen, your assessment is right on target, at least for some. Anytime you go about adding things to what scripture says or what Jesus has already done, you're not allowing folks to experience the freedom they're supposed to have in Christ. There was an line in a song in the 80's that said "These Bible-belt folks think living is a sin, so they all start dying from the day they're born-again." Too true in many cases and also, sad!

By the way, if you're ever up in Kansas City, look me up. We'll save a seat for you on Sunday! :)

RWhite[OR]    Posted 04-24-2001 at 22:52:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Father Murphy. I'm sorry if you felt I came down on you I was just stating my feelings reading through your past statements. Of Which, none was addressed to me. You strike me as a man who is willing to go past your teachings. You have heart Father Murphy. A heart for the common man and that's where it's at.

Murphy    Posted 04-25-2001 at 10:33:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
No worries RWhite. I didn't feel like you were coming down on me at all. BTW, thanks for the compliment. :)

RWhite    Posted 04-25-2001 at 22:58:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Murphy, you have one of the toughest jobs in the world. As a man of the cloth you have to have to react to every individuals needs as you feel at that split second and to do that and do it right you have to have heart...a lot of heart for your fellow man or woman.I take my hat off to you. There are so many preachers that run on only what they are taught, they don't use their heart. I guess because they don't want to get involved.But there was a lot said in this post and you never backed down or resorted to the standard answers I feel you continued to talk through your heart and that brother Murphy , if I can call you that. Is why I take my hat off to you .If I was close enough I would be proud to be one of your flock [once in a while]

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 14:51:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
GRR, I'll do that! LOL - Wheeewww! I was glad to hear you weren't from the "Bible Belt." Was startin to suspect you might be MY preacher! HEEHEE......

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