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Stream bank fencing programs
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DavePA    Posted 08-25-2002 at 15:37:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Looking into the stream bank fencing programs in PA. Needing to repair the cattle damage along the stream bed along with restoring it back to natural habitat. Has any one used the program? DavePA


Mudcat49    Posted 08-26-2002 at 02:31:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
The most feared words a farmer can hear "I'M FROM THE GOVERMENT, AND I'M HERE TO HELP YOU"!!


Hogman ***OOOPS,SORRY MUDDY I BEG FORGIVNESS    Posted 08-26-2002 at 04:15:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
IT'S TOO EARLY IN THA MORNIN.
However bein confused with tha Honorable Mr D.C. should bring no sense of resentment I trust.
And,senility does take It's toll as You may discover in time.


Hogman ** D.C. THOU SPEAKEST THE ETERNAL TRUTH!!!!    Posted 08-26-2002 at 04:07:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's a pity when the law abiding must fear Their Own Goverment.
Seems I read somewhere in the distant past that the Founders expressed a fear of this very thing occuring and to that extent did provide protection from it,sadly,to no avail!!!!!!


Mudcat49    Posted 08-26-2002 at 06:20:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
The second admendment is 'spose to protect us. sadley there are those that want to take that away from us!!!


Willy-N    Posted 08-25-2002 at 21:35:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I did one of these programs and got paid to fence my lake off put up 4,800.00 worth of fence which was paid for by DNR and I made 2,800 for my labor. This was to keep the open range cows out of the lake. I am in the program for 10 years and must maintain the fence during that time. After the 10 years it is my fence and the program is over and DNR is out of the picture. I figure if you put up a fence you maintain it anyway. Now I have a 15 ac pasture fenced for free and paid to do it too. I can only put my cows in there to maintain the grass 2 times a year but if I did it more than that it would get over grazed anyway. I have other pastures and now the open range cows don't eat the grass I use for mine on my own property. After 10 years I can put my cow in there till there is no grass left but that would be stupid to ruin my best pasture. I only have 4 years till the contract is over. BUT be sure to read the fine print. Mark H.


Les...fortunate    Posted 08-25-2002 at 19:33:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
The further you can stay away from the government, the better off you will be.
I will NEVER call Fish and Game for anything. They'll only cause you trouble. If I discovered an Ivorybilled Woodpecker's nest they would never hear about it.


Ron/Pa    Posted 08-25-2002 at 17:31:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dave, we looked into the program a few years ago and found that it really did end up a little lop sided.
Initial outlay was reasonable, but the upkeep would end up unbearable. And at that time there were a few penalties that scared us.
I have heard that the program has changed alot since then.
DEP did have a good link on the state web site, haven't looked lately so it might be worth a look.
Good luck
Ron


kraig WY    Posted 08-25-2002 at 19:04:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'd talk to your county extension agent and leave the Feds out of it. Any time you get into government programs you're selling your soul on the installment plan.

Rancher near Casper made the mistake of getting advice from the gov. They found out he had some speical kind of frogs hanging around his stock ponds. He not only lost the use of his ponds but the grass around them.

Or the guy near Lusk who called the EPA on getting rid of some excess pesticides. He ended up with a $10,000 fine because they found he had spilled a little fuel under his fuel tanks.



DavePA    Posted 08-25-2002 at 18:22:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron, What penalties are you refering to? I guess what I fear is that you are losing the free use of your land if your ideals change. I have been trying to deal with a service forester but all of his responses are to shallow to really know where you stand. thanks DavePA


Ron/Pa    Posted 08-26-2002 at 10:17:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dave, at that time if you elected to remove any portion of the fence, or altered it, or failed to maintain it, (and that includes if you die) you would be billed for the entire cost of the fence, and a penalty added for defaulting on your agreement.
Hope this helps, but it was quite a few years ago.
Ron


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