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A big can of worms!
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Mudcat49    Posted 04-23-2001 at 20:01:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
WOW ! oh WOW! Did Dreamweaver ever open up a big can of worms with her "Sinning on Sunday" post! I too am saved! I accepted Jesus as my personal savior at a very early age. I am a card carrying member of the United Methodist Church I attend church on a regular basis, and am very active in my church, serving on several committies and holding several church offices through out the years. BUT! I still miss a lot of Sundays! Does missing church some sundays make me any less of a Christian? Will I be comdemed to the fires of he11 just because I didn't go to church on any given sunday? I DON'T THINK SO !!! FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ENTERNAL LIFE. John:3-16

LazyHorse    Posted 04-23-2001 at 21:29:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good quote Mudcat. DW opened the can, and I apparently added the controversy. I was raised in the Methodist church on Mom's side, But my Dad's sisters made sure I was also shown what they considered the right path to glory in the Catholic church. Maybe that's why I am such a confused Christian.

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 03:20:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree totally. Nice way of putting it. Church is important I believe. But the church did not save me, nor are they the road to Heaven. Christ is, and he lives in my heart. Church is the body that we learn from, the structure that the Bible tells us we need to grow as Christians. Missing a Sunday every now and again ain't gonna make me any less of what I know I already am. It wasn't the church that saved me, but the cross.

Murphy    Posted 04-24-2001 at 11:02:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW, thank you for saying it better than I've been able to so far. Missing a Sunday or two won't make you any less of what you are. Missing every Sunday saying that you can be close to God totally on your own is where I start to have difficulty. I'm not saying it can't be done, I've just talked to too many folks that will only address God on their own terms and not on God's. Come to think of it, there are a lot of folks that do that same thing sitting in the pews on Sunday morning. Well, DW, you opened the worms... Got an extra pole? :)

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 13:32:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree Rev. I don't think you should be totally "out there" on your own, but then again I believe it is up to the individual as to what they prefer (children the exclusion, mine do as they're told). Anyway, I believe if you are a Christian, you want to learn all you can about the Bible, and thus, the need for the church experience. But one reason I love country livin so much, is because if I am i the big city, all I can see when I look around are things man made -- in the country, God's beautiful creations are all around us. I can understand how a person can feel like they are communing with God in this environment, coupled with good honest living.

RWhite[OR]    Posted 04-24-2001 at 07:40:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry all I said way to much on that subject.I won't say anymore.I promise.

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 13:43:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
By all means, speak your mind. That's what makes the USA a great place to live! Opinions are not right or wrong. They are individual to the person, and everybody is entitle to them. I learn a lot from listening to other peoples' ideas.

Mudcat49    Posted 04-24-2001 at 10:37:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
R White: Come on, let's hear from you, we want to hear what you have to say. I promise I won't shoot u for saying what you want to. How about you Hank will you promise not to shoot him too?

IHank    Posted 04-24-2001 at 14:29:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mudcat- Myself, I suspect you, and hundreds of thousands of others around us, once wore the OG 107 high fashion uniform. We were sworn to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

I honestly believe that both of us, along with those hundreds of thousands of others, probably even into the millions, would respond again if needed... in plain clothes. That's what scares the he11 out the gun control fanatics, political power trippers, religous freaks, and "you name it", types that want to impose their will and personal value systems on the US population.

The whole damn world needs an intense lesson about "The Golden Rule"! IHank


Mudcat49    Posted 04-24-2001 at 16:26:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No Hank, I did not serve.(not in this life anyhow, but that's another story) I was drafted but was rejected because of high blood pressure. I later tried to join the Marines after getting some meds. for the blood pressure and getting it under control, but I was logged into the system as having the High BP and they would not take me unless there was a national emergery and 'Nam wasn't. On the gun control issue, those people don't realize that if they do away with admenment #2 then the rest of them will go too!

IHank    Posted 04-24-2001 at 17:42:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mudcat- Sweat not the SS rejection, and mebbie count some blessings. I got my "4-F" rating after I got home and was working my way along with potentials of a military career, as a way of making the best of what I had in front of me. Gout and the bad attitude that shows here took me out after 14 years of trying to be of service.

Looking back, I was very fortunate to have been dumped into America's finest, the 12th Cavalry, in some very interesting places, the Central Highlands, and several rescue missions, like MCAS Khe Sanh in '68.

Like the saying goes, Everybody gave some, some gave all. Everybody that served in some way please stand proud and thanks for serving!

The annual "Rolling Thunder" biker ride will soon be heading to "The Wall" in DC. I ask all to give them grey haired veterans a thumbs up when they ride by. Vietnam service was difficult, but riding a motocycle on US highways is some sort of ultimate bravado statement. God bless you PJ!

Murphy    Posted 04-24-2001 at 14:43:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
IHank, I have to disagree with you on one point. If need be, this "religious freak" will take point. In any case, you can bet your sweet skippy that I'll be right there fighting along side you. :)

Have a good one!

IHank    Posted 04-24-2001 at 15:34:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Murphy- Thank you for the reply. What we're both talking about is what makes this a great nation- the ability to express ourselves freely without recrimination and the ability to close ranks in an eyeblink against a common enemy.

Keep going and know that myself and many others once wore the uniform, and will fight again, so you Southern Baptists, and all the other "religous fanatics", can publicly speak your mind and not worry about somebody hurting you or your family for doing so.

The Lord really does work in hard to understand ways... I learned that first hand, "up close and personal", several times 34 years ago in Vietnam. There is/was no rational explanation for why & how I survived some of the situations I got into, not just once but several times.

Thousands of others did too!

Mebbie I'm just over reacting on all this. But, I'm sure that many people reading this can tell their own story, about how they got thru some horrible event in their life and will "witness" openly that is was just the Grace of God that made some strange thing happen.

Hey! Pull up a stump beside Dream Weaver and catch some fish. Mebbie some nice day she'll invite the whole congregation out for some kinda alternative Sunday services. Jest make sure everybody has a fishing license!

Enjoying the discussions, keep 'em going, and a big grin and "Luck of the Irish" to 'ya. IHank

Dreamweaver    Posted 04-24-2001 at 15:37:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't need no license at my pond, Hank. Just wondering, define "religious fanatic."

IHank    Posted 04-24-2001 at 15:56:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
DW- Defining the term "religous fanatic is real easy...

It is, "Anybody different from me, that thinks, acts, believes, and wants to impose all their 'stuff' on me on others."

Hope that helps, IHank

LazyHorse    Posted 04-24-2001 at 17:36:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gee IHank, I thought their was supposed to be a separation of church & state. Your definition of religious fanatic sure sounds like a Govt. run operation to me ;<)

IHank    Posted 04-24-2001 at 07:58:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
RWhite- Please don't keep that promise!

Free and open and honest discussion is how people get along together in life. People that sit around and pout and sulk and get angrier and agngrier and never vent it off are the ones that go nuts every so often and make the TV news with how they finally responded/replied.

Also, we gotta watch out for people bent on imposing their beliefs and life styles on others, always in the name of some wonderful cause. They too are/can be very dangerous.

With open and honest discussion everybody can sort things around themself out and understand who & where they're comfortable associating with and who & where they ain't! IHank

RWhite[OR]    Posted 04-24-2001 at 22:28:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
IHank I like you because you stick by your guns. What you say is what you believe and I for one will never fault you for that. If were down to choosing sides I'm on yours.

IHank    Posted 04-25-2001 at 05:54:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
RWhite- Sir, thank you for the kind words and thoughts! IHank

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