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Vietnam Veterans Day Petition
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Momma Jan    Posted 08-27-2002 at 23:35:39       [Reply]  [No Email]

I got this in a email tonight and thought I would share.I just hope I can get the link to attach.

The Brothers of Nam wish to declare May 1ST, beginning in 2003, as Vietnam Veteran Recognition Day. Our intent is to have a day to honor all
Vietnam Veterans for their service to our country. We would like "Welcome
Home" to be the slogan for this celebratory day. We feel that a day of this
kind is long over due and would like others to join our cause by signing
this petition. Please show your support of these neglected heroes by giving
them the homecoming they deserved long ago. Sign our petition today!



Hogman    Posted 08-28-2002 at 19:29:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hoping I picked up the consensus of opinion properly I refrained from discussing the subject with Her. More pertinent subjects were Farm Bill,EPA,DNR, getting re-elected,meeting People.
Trying to figure out how to rid the world of DNR. Those People operate like They just came out of the loony farm.

It seems We have entered tha wonderful world of wall ta wall wackos.


Old Sarge    Posted 08-28-2002 at 08:15:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I can't hold back no more.

There is no need for another special day ta be set aside; over time it'll fade out and become just another sale day for the merchants.

I am a vet of Korea 51-53, Vietnam 54-56, and 66-70 three tours, and I can safely say that from 65 on we were in a war that was never declared that cost this country many of our young mens lives and health. The Government bureaucrats, who are really running the show, used it for a vehicle to stimulate the economy. We were never supposed to win over there.

Yes I served on active duty Base Pay entry date 10 Nov 1950 until retirement 1 April 1972, and am now 100% disabled service connected. Do I get my pension that I earned. NO NO NO. The bureaucrats see to that. They keep fighting to keep the discriminastion on 435,00+ of us who served over 20 years earning a pension, that they budget and appropiate money for each year. But they will NOT allow the passage of legislation that will end this discrimination. It becomes a SURPLUS each year that they can dip into to fund the pork barrel projects they want to take back to their districts to brag about so they will get reelected. Then they can do it all over again.

I'll get off the soap box now, let the rock throwin begin.

BTW: I donate (?) my entire pension ($1730.) each month to this surplus and have been doing it for over 10 years.


bill b va    Posted 08-28-2002 at 23:18:16       [Reply]  [No Email]

i am with you old sarge and others ... korea 53-54 viet 67-68 . the news aholes and polititians don't seen to remember how we got into that mess ...SEATO ...just hope we ain't gettimg into a worse mess now just so bush can be reelected .he sure is surrounded with some ?????????????? able helpers .the more time goes by the more i wonder if he is hitting on all cylinders .


bob ny    Posted 08-28-2002 at 13:58:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
i agree wit you sarge i was in killrea in 51 /52
what realy bothers me is the govment chinces on vets but will pay 706.00 a month to addicts on the street so they can put more s--t in thier system i had nothing to do with them being what they are but i have to pay for it thanks for listning to an old fool but sometimes it feels good to vent


Rachel    Posted 08-28-2002 at 06:58:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, my Mark was in Nam for 3 tours. He came back a very disallusioned man. He says we shouldn't have been there. BUT, I think with all the vets from that war, he deserves an apology, too. So, thanks, Momma Jan, for the chance to sign and make it up to them. Most of those guys were still teenagers when they were sent over. And I happen to love one of 'em. So, I welcome a chance for them to be recognized, Doesn't matter if it's a special day, just some recognition would be nice! Later, Rachel


DeadCarp    Posted 08-28-2002 at 08:18:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
You tell Mark it's alright, what he did. Everybody walked in their own shoes and did what they thought right, so their weakness can be our strength. Just ignore them and carry on like we been doin for forty blasted years .. with luck, we'll outlive them. and welcome home. :)




Tom A -- Just MHO    Posted 08-28-2002 at 05:40:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I'm not a Vietnam-era vet, but I am a proud vet, and am also the son, brother, and nephew of vets, so my opinion is probably skewed.

I don't think we need another "special" day for anybody.

Veteran's Day is supposed to honor all our vets, from the earliest days of our nation to those who are in Afghanistan today. A vet is a vet is a vet, and each era of returning vets has had its own problems to overcome. Many Vietnam vets coming home were treated in a shameful manner, but they are not alone in problems.

What we really need is to think about all vets contributions more, and to "take back" Veteran's Day--right now the majority of Americans only view it as a big day for sales on linens and cars and don't give a second thought to vets, the reason they get to stay away from work that day. We need to talk up all vet's contributions more, take responsibility for sticking up for the guy (and gal) in uniform whenever we can. But another dedicated day--I don't think so.

Tom A


Hogman    Posted 08-28-2002 at 03:29:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
We are having a small get-together with Our Congreswomen this evening so the timing is perfect. I'll certainly discuss it with Her.

The Viet Vets have had a raw deal and it's time for correction. Too much pure crap flowed from the "pens" of Our Elite of the news media and too much reaction by Those who would do anything to keep from serving.
IMHO


Les...No, thanks    Posted 08-28-2002 at 03:09:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
We got enough special days and that makes them not so special anymore. And I am a Vietnam era vet.


Jake from Jakes Corner, Yukon Territory    Posted 08-28-2002 at 12:44:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yup I agree, Les. I did two tours myself. No more special days.


Hogman    Posted 08-28-2002 at 04:08:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Okay Les,that will be one point of My disscussion with Her and too a degree I go along with Your thought. We sometimes hand out so many awards that They become meaningless. FWIW I did not sign but I will disscuss it. Quit often the best plans lay between opposing view points.
I strongly believe the Viet Vet deserves an apology of some sort the only question is the method. We came home from WWll the big heros and in truth all most of Us wanted was just to be left alone. But to be treated like trash is another story.

I know I digress, but one little story mabe?
A boat load of Us arrived at Camp kelmer NJ,just happy to be back State side. They run Us all into tha Theatre for "indocternation and Orientation" that was one of tha big things Ya had ta put up with. Anyways this little Corperal was up on tha stage complete with a swager stick that He kept whackin His hand with. Tha gist of it was that while WE thought WE were rough,tuff,mean,combat types We had better understand that THEY were a whole lot meaner and WE had better mind OUR manners or THEY would kick tha tar out of US.
Now thats how You turn a group of peace lovin,non violent critters inta a bunch of "tear tha place downers".WE did,THEY hid.

Tha moral of it is that attitude is tha controlin facet on tha jewel of life. IMHO


Les    Posted 08-28-2002 at 05:43:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good story, Hogman. Corporal with a swagger stick, eh? Pretty funny sight, I can imagine.
Yep, folks got treated like trash, that's for sure, and it wa'nt right. Sure seems as though most folks have come around on that, though.
We was just doin our job and didn't have even the support of the gubbermint like we shouldda, to say nothin of the people.


F14...A quotable quote!    Posted 08-28-2002 at 05:16:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
...attitude is tha controlin facet on tha jewel of life...

How true. Is that original? I plan to use it...


Hogman**** Naw 14    Posted 08-28-2002 at 08:50:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just tha ramblins of an old mans mind and of course You can use it. Even claim it as Your own or from Plato,Socretees er anybody Ya wish.


ger    Posted 08-27-2002 at 23:55:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
all though i am canadian ,(some canadaians fought in vietnam,} i grew up in the 60 an 70 an i think they deserve better, i had the opportunity to meet some vietnam vets that belonged to a bike club that came through here a couple yrs ago,nice bunch . they certainly deserve this recognition day considering the he!! they went through i think that the least they deserve . good luck , ger


Old Sarge HEY GER    Posted 08-28-2002 at 08:27:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Click me an email addy and I'll tell you a TRUE story about the Canadians in Nam.


ger    Posted 08-28-2002 at 09:14:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
hey sarge did ya get my email , did it go through?


Old Sarge    Posted 08-28-2002 at 09:43:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Naw it hasn't got thru yet. Mebbe them connectors from up North don't wanta let ya out.


ger    Posted 08-28-2002 at 10:16:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
see if its there now sarge


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