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Oak trees
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rachel    Posted 09-01-2002 at 18:34:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi, we noticed we have now lost 2 of our 70-80 year old oaks to the oak borer they have been warning about in our Conservation mag. Both were beautiful shade trees with dogwoods underneath. Anyone else having a problem? Seems the drought lowered the resistance of the trees. Now, we have to cut them both down. What a waste! We'll use em for firewood but still, I hate to lose them. And the dogwoods will have to go because they are directly under the oaks and can't cut the oaks without damaging the dogwoods. Signed tree hugger (but only my own trees) Rachel

Ray    Posted 09-02-2002 at 12:41:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry to hear about your trees, before you turn them into heat why not cut them and mill them into lumber and after they have dried build something nice from the boards? They will be around for a long time after that instead of going up in smoke.

rachel    Posted 09-02-2002 at 19:51:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hiya Ray, yep, Mark plans to build a barn where the old shed is standing which just happens to be almost direckly under the one dead oak tree. He figures to kill 2 birds with one stone. He cleaned out the shed today and plans to fell the oak right on top of it. Gets the shed out of the way for the barn and with your suggestion, we can use the oak for some of the wood to build. Glad ya mentioned it. The only thing is how to cut it into boards? We have sawmills around but they would charge something to cut for us. I don't think a chain saw would be much help to make boards with. Any ideas? We don't have a tractor or large equipment since we only have an acre of somewhat level ground. Thanks for the idea! Rachel

Nathan(GA)    Posted 09-02-2002 at 20:24:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Rachel, Several people around here have those portable sawmills. They drive right up to the logs. Some will cut for half the wood.

Hogman    Posted 09-03-2002 at 04:48:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember ,buildin with Oak has It's problems. When fresh cut it saws easy and a nail can be driven with ease BUT it will also shrink ta beat tha dickins as it dries. Once dry it will still saw albiet with more effort,BUT when Ya try ta nail it --well now Mo Red Oak dry is nail proof!!!!!

SO -- Ya want ta mabe plan on doin a "board'n batt" thing. Lay it up green with tha planks squzin each other and mabe just nail tha batts on one side till it's dried .

As to a portable mill, Neighbor of Ours over in Ozark County had a mill come in a while back and saw a bunch of Red Oak,think it was for half but You'd have ta have a lot of logs for that.
I intend ta start cullin this Fall for firewood,want NO loggers! Next door Neighbor intends ta log off a bunch ,but He has over two sections ta work on.

It's a real shame that this should happen to Our Oaks. Re Our Conservation Dept, good and bad'n It's sometimes darn hard tellin which is which. Pity tha land Owner next to'em, They shall forever more be blessed with a bountful weed crop!!!!They have imported and strewn tha countryside with noxious weeds,vines and bush.They gobble up land which They can noway care for and last but not least They deny tha existance of that which has been known for ages. Bear? naw, not here, but Ya best not molest one of them things which ain't here. Mountain Lions?same thing! Just now, just startin ta say --well---mabe.

Sorry, I'll jump off tha soap box ,jump on tha ESSEX'n ride off ta "kick" Maw outta bed now that I have Her first cup waitin.

rachel Mornin Hogman    Posted 09-03-2002 at 05:12:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yep, I hear alot about the Conservation people. Don't know enuf to take a stand but after all I hear from the board's experiences, starting to lean to dim view, ya know. I did a search last nite on oak borers and checked the tree again, it's a red oak. Far as I can find out, the wood's no good for building with. It's riddled with holes from our pest. So, firewood it will have ta be. I'm just hoping to save the 3 dogwoods beneath it. They curve so prettily. Probably won't survive tho since their shade won't be as shady. Tell Ma Hog good mornin from me! Mark's already gone. He's a hard-working man, contrary-wise ta what slanderous talk has been spread about him! Me, I got verrrry sore hands from squeezing grape pulp out of skins for jam all day yesterday. I'm a hand- gimp today. Have a good one, Rachel

pat    Posted 09-03-2002 at 09:15:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
well you made the decision to burn, that is probably benificial to you , yes it would be nice to use, but the cost of sawing a few logs will be way too much, the condition the wood is going to be in does not sound to good, and then the thought of you trying to use the oak outdoors will not be a good one, oak does not fair very well outdoors, now inside for furniture and the like ya cant beat it but ,, you would be replacing it quickly as siding on a barn, or shed... warping and cracking .... cupping,,,, money wise, and convenience wise,, it makes a great wood to stay warm with,,,,cut it up season it out and mix it wirth some other type wood and you will be ahead of it

Pcc-AL    Posted 09-02-2002 at 07:02:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi rachel,
Sorry to hear about your oaks. You mentioned black oak, but I'm not familar with it. What others do you have? We have one we call a blackjack oak. Wonder if this is the same as your black oak. We have white, post,live,water, pin, red and probably a lot more I don't know about. Good luck.

rachel    Posted 09-02-2002 at 12:21:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi Al, we have a lot of the same. oak, black oak, red oak, white, but no post or live. This area used to be all pine til it was all logged out about a century ago. Then the oaks took over, now the Conservation people say maple and ash and various other pine trees are gonna take over. The ancient oaks will be going. Not due to logging, but just a natural thing. Guess the climate changes are causing a lot of it. I don't think I will be alive to see a big change and that suits me fine. I grew up with the smell of the oak trees. Hope the borer doesn't make it to Alabamy! Rachel

Old Sarge    Posted 09-01-2002 at 19:20:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I know what ya mean about losing them shade trees. Tornado took out 5 Big Redoaks, smallest was 25" at the butt. Got 2 -14' saw logs out of it. What broke my heart was the big Pin Oak. I'd have to outlive Methusula ta see another that big. It was 57" at the butt end, got 4 8' peeler logs out of it before the fork, then several saw logs out that were from 8-12 ft.. Those peeler logs went up to the plywood mill up in Vincennes Ind. Brought a real good price but I sure miss the shade in ther evenings.

Nathan(GA)    Posted 09-01-2002 at 18:43:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Haven't heard about the oak borer. Sorry you lost the trees. I'm not a tree hugger either. I hate to see the old trees go for whatever reason, though. The state has been cutting big trees along the state routes here. I guess somebody sued over hitting one or something.

rachel    Posted 09-01-2002 at 18:49:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It seems to be mostly in the midwest, Nathan. The extended drought and this oak borer have combined to kill a lot of 70 yr. and up oaks. We have just about every kind of oak but live oaks, like New Orleans, style. The ones killed are black oaks. Can't replace em in my lifetime. That's the worst part. We have plenty more but come fall, there will probably be more show up dead. Can't tell till the underbrush clears with the first frost. I think it's the dogwoods I am more grieved over. No prettier sight in the Springtime than a flowering dogwood. Guess it's bedtime for me- so good night, all. Rachel

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