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Re-entry into the National Guard
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kraig WY    Posted 09-08-2002 at 07:02:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Went to wife's NG picnic yesterday with the intent of being interview for the Operations Officer psoition (I have just short of 25 years of RA/NG service). The picnic was suppose to be at 2pm. At 4pm only the Officers and senior sargents were setting around. I found out everyone else was at the range. Told the commander I wouldn't fit in. When I was in a unit the Officers and senior sargents didn't leave the field until the last private was in. I was taught officers didn't "send" they "led". Is this the new army. Guess I'll just stay home and wait for my pension.


Les...fortunate    Posted 09-08-2002 at 08:12:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Good for you, Kraig. One of the reasons the unit I was in was so good was that the officers we had insisted on just what you're talking about. Certainly RHIP, but when the troops see their officers and senior NCOs pulling stunts like you saw, morale goes into the toilet. I had one commander (he's now the Battalion Commander) who was the finest officer I ever served with in all my years of service. He was somebody you were glad to work for and work hard for.
The day we would arrive at AT (usually Fort Drum, NY), our officers used to pull KP. That was a big boost to our unit.
Especially in the reserve component, you ain't gonna fool the troops, at least not for very long.


Bob /Ont.    Posted 09-08-2002 at 08:35:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well Kraig and Les, I have no military experiance but I can sure relate to what you guys are saying, time frame is about right too. It must just be the difference in people incharge now as opposed to then, it goes on everywhere. Seems we have lots of MANAGEMENT everywhere and NO LEADERSHIP anywhere.
Later Bob


Grove r    Posted 09-08-2002 at 09:14:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Right on! leadership by example!! whenever I am assigned foreman duty, I work WITH the men.......what is called a "working foreman",and can we get things done!!!! bosses keep asking me if I fall down alot....becuase my coveralls are as dirty as the rest! about fifty percent of the time, jobs are chosen, not assigned.......and everyone has input on how a job should be done....We don't work as 'leader/followers'......we work as a group....... now I can quit bragging, and let someone else have the floor. have a gooder, R.E.L.


Bob /Ont.    Posted 09-08-2002 at 10:08:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You know Grover, I always wondered why in a company as prominent as the one I work for, should be world class. They have such Challenged managers. Then in our company newsletter it was made very clear to us. Beside, not on, beside the Human Resources page, no blame or credit here please. There was a good article someone had copied from someone elses book. Then everything was made very clear to me by the two sentences of what a Manager was and the half page of what a Leader was. In short it said, Managers have the say and need know nothing, just surround themselves with fall guys. Leaders must have knowledge and experiance and be looked up to by all, then lead everyone over the cliff as directed by a Manager who will soon find someone else too blame.
Later Bob


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