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LH description -SAD (seasonal affective disorder)
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EIEIO    Posted 11-04-2002 at 04:41:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had posted about how this weather sorta depresses me because the sun has not been out for a couple of weeks now. Well LH gave me the name for it. Now since I am not the only one who has this syndrome I feel better. Does anybody out there get this way when the sun stays behind the clouds for a long time? If so what do you do for it. I try to adjust my attitude, look around and see everything I have and how good it is and even sing but as LH said there are times I just want to crawl right back into bed. Thanks!

Baby Duck    Posted 11-04-2002 at 15:39:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Grow lights like the ones for plants are really helpful and so does a short (Notice I said short) time under a sun lamp daily. Some vitamins, like K need sun to activate them. A good diet and multi vitamin daily help stave off depression. There is something in health food stores that homeopathic physicians tell their patients to take. Look for something called L-Tyrosine. It's an amino acid and basically harmless. St. John's Wort, also sold for depression, has some side effects like photophobia (Severe light sensitivity) it can give your skin a slightly orange cast like the old self tanning creams used to) and can be an abortifacient so pregnant women shouldn't take it. It can also cause a slight drowsiness. L-Tyrosine can't be taken with food, and one a day will help those with PMS, with SAD, with Menopausal Depression, and with Chronic depression without the side effects of either Prozac or Zoloft, doesn't need a perscription, doesn't cause drowsiness or any of the other things St. John's Wort does, and is one of the amino acids that your body needs anyhow. Just do not take it within an hour of consuming food.

WallSal55 - Me, too.    Posted 11-04-2002 at 08:33:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
LH--fellow Scorpio, I too, have SAD. Think I
have had it all my life--I was the only kid in
my class to gain 15 pounds every fall/winter only
to hopefully wear it off every summer.
Have been battling it (severe)since 1986. Yes, three days of clouds for me spells trouble. I even bought one of those light boxes. What I have learned over the years, is that at least 20 minutes of sunbathing (on a sunporch or sunny
window in the a.m. or when sun is directly overhead around noon or 1pm--works just as well
as the lightbox. Also, watch the orange glow of
sunsets, there is something about that--that helps, too!
I have switched over to flourescent bulbs and
the blue light bulbs by verilux (
available at Menard's and home improvement warehouses. (expensive, but energy efficient) My father did electrical work and
kept our home growing up very brightly lit (some
areas had 4 bulbs in the ceiling!)--so I would
say there is a family tendency for needing bright
It is also important to see to it that your
tonsils are clear--so have the doc look down your
throat when in for routine visit. I have trouble
with my tonsils and that tends to make SAD worse.
(any infection probably)
I feel this year my SAD will be less severe
because they just found out 1 1/2 years ago--I am Type II diabetic, no meds.
I eat sugar free and feel so much better. (Diabetes was written on my family history chart, and I do not know how many docs misdiagnosed it. I am trying not to be bitter/angry about that, but
I feel a huge chunk of my life was taken from me,
because they couldn't put two and two together.
I passed all diabetic tests with flying colors--
but finally the Glucose Tolerance Test defined it.
Sorry, to be so long, but I have lived it--from
hell and back again. Anyone has any questions,
ask away. I can even tell you about SSRI's, meds,
I went treatment resistant for many years, almost
giving up hope. After 5-7 yrs., of trial and error, (I was a tough case to crack, I guess)
Doc said I could take prozac with Depakote. If
I sink too low, I add Eskalith CR.
Women with PMS, PMDD also have trouble with SAD.
Web search (or)

LH    Posted 11-04-2002 at 09:50:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
WallSal I recently had a good friend whose into astrology tell me that we scorpios suffer from SAD because we are of the fire sign and tend to be sunworshippers, and I kind of agree since I tend to feel like I'm freezing at less than 80 degrees. This creates a real problem with my wife who suffers from hot flashes. Also the Prozac is what I was on and found it had too many bad side effects, which in my case meant the old testosterone levels dropped to -0 which made me more depressed. Today is one of those days I just want to go to sleep and never wake up.

Maggie/TX    Posted 11-04-2002 at 11:05:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nope, your friend was mistaken. Scorpio, Cancer and Pisces are the three WATER signs. The water signs are supposed to be sensitive and emotional and Scorpio is the most emotionally volitile of the three. The fire signs are Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn are Earth signs, and Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius are Air signs. (I went through a pretty heavy astrology phase in my younger days.) :)

LH    Posted 11-04-2002 at 12:22:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Maggie, guess you can't tell I'm just a dumb old country boy LOL, Teh only kinda signs I know much about are the SMV signs on the back of farm machinery.

Maggie/TX    Posted 11-04-2002 at 12:58:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, then I guess we're even, cause I don't know what a SMV sign is. :)

Punchy    Posted 11-04-2002 at 15:22:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Slow Moving Vehicle. ;]

Ana    Posted 11-04-2002 at 07:32:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't have this, but my husband sure does. His family and friends know to watch out if the sun hasn't been out in three days. Glad to know the proper name for it. Ever since the kids have been grown, we take our vacations (if we get one) in the winter---and go someplace warm and sunny. Otherwise, we just suffer.

WallSal55    Posted 11-04-2002 at 08:45:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ana, I am so proud of you and your family for
being supportive of your husband and taking those
trips in the winter! (What can I say, I have not
any support from my husband).

WallSal55    Posted 11-04-2002 at 08:38:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ana, I am so proud of you and your family for
being supportive of your husband and taking those
trips in the winter! (What can I say, I have not
any support from my husband).

DeadCarp    Posted 11-04-2002 at 05:42:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh sure the weather affects our attitudes - i think Seattle has like double the average suicide rate, and it's tied to the long seasonal lack of sunshine. I once worked outside in the winter there and went (i forget) 3 or 4 months without seeing the sun. After a long winter, cabin fever gets pretty real - people get antsy and desparately seek diversions and divorce rates soar etc. You have to kinda pay attention to how it affects you and make adjustments. Too much sunshine is bad too - can turn you into a Taliban! (oh nooooo) lol

EIEIO    Posted 11-04-2002 at 06:06:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well I dont want to be no Taliban so you already perked me up. Went and feed the critters and they usually give me a laugh or two. If only it wasn't so dark and cold at 4:30am I would go to the barn when I first get up but no way will I venture out until I see where I am going.

LH    Posted 11-04-2002 at 04:47:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
EI I got forced by the wife to go see a shrink for the problem, tried counseling, antidepressants, special lights, etc, and in my case nuthing worked, at least not to my satisfaction. So I just continue to suffer along and try my best to think of sunny warm weather thoughts, all the while envying Patria for living somewhere sunny and warm LOL.

LH I Forgot To Mention    Posted 11-04-2002 at 04:49:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
That I sing too, but that tends to depress those around me for some strange reason.

DeadCarp - can't say i blame them    Posted 11-04-2002 at 07:14:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
The thought of you singing kinda scares me too, and i don't even know where ya live! LOL (kidding)

Grove r    Posted 11-04-2002 at 06:02:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
'Mornin', LH.....know what ya mean on the singin', people keep askin me ta sing ten or.....and I know for a fact that bass is my forte..... Have never suffered from SAD, or depression of any kind...get PO'd by times....was told that, like hipnotism, SAD requires that the recipiant be, or have, a certain level of intelegence before either is possable.....isn't stupidity wonderful??? I have often said that without it I would have nothing to work with....have a gooder, R.E.L.

H. Andrew Merklethrope    Posted 11-04-2002 at 19:29:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
gove r, I think it's a case of good genes. I don't have any of those yuppie ailments. Never had time for SAD, PMS, VOR, PDQ, PQRST or whatever and you probably never did either. You said your grampa came from So. Dakota. They had to be tough to survive there and in Alberta even more so. Yup, good genes is why!

Toper J Snootful tha 5th    Posted 11-04-2002 at 13:28:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I discovered long ago that Our limitations are a great blessing. As They say,ignorance is bliss otherwise one would not be capable of residing 30 miles north of the pole during the all of winter without resorting to cohabitating with a fernwinkle female from one of the local logging encampments. A sad situation indeed.

Grove r    Posted 11-04-2002 at 14:45:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Big 10-4, TJ....hows them ice worms doing, heard there is a gonna be a bumper crop this year, [of ice, the worms wreck good ice], need all the ice we can get for all them skatin' rinks and such, ole Kurt Browning, [he was raised about eight miles south of me], gotta have the best ice, makes a big difference when he does the "quad", I do a quad too, but mine has four wheels and goes put,put....'cept when I'm bein' chased by the bull, then it gets right up there to va-rooom....think I hafta go now......have a gooder, R.E.L.

Jay Snoot fer short**** Them ice worms make good bait    Posted 11-04-2002 at 15:28:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
For catchin them frozen frapladle frigifish on a fly rod.Season opens Nov 36th'n I intend ta be right there ready ta flip a fly for a frapladle frigifish for tha fryin pan.

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