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Horse Ailment
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cowgirlj    Posted 11-12-2002 at 18:02:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well Country Folks, yall seem to be giving each other such great advice, I thought I'd give this question a try. There is mare on the farm that has this growth thing (I don't know the proper term for it). It started off about the size of a small pea, and it has been steadily growing over the summer. It is now the size of a large grape. It is located right under the base of her tail. Some folks have recommended tying a piece of dental floss around the base of this thing to cut off the blood supply, and it should fall off. I figured before I go standing at the back end of this mare and sticking my hands under her tail to tie off something that may or may not be causing her pain, I should study up a little more on this.
Anyone ever hear of this before? What the heck is it? And short of paying the Vet hundreds of dollars to do what I can do myself (if I knew what to do), anyone have any sujestions?

Saddlebum    Posted 11-12-2002 at 18:42:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm guessing this is a gray horse? These growths are most commonly found on grays, and are a form of equine melanoma. They often appear around the flank, under the tail and around the anal area in general. Very few gray horses reach their teens without having one or more of these.

If the horse is not gray, it is more likely to be an equine sarcoid tumor. Don't do the dental floss thing--you risk having it metastasize and/or come back much larger. There is new evidence that cimetidine (yep, the same stuff we humans take for ulcers) given orally can catch these and reduce/retard the growth. It will have to be done through a vet, sorry. The standard treatments are to have them cryogenically removed (frozen off with liquid nitrogen) or surgically removed, but beware; a moderate percentage of them grow back.

Some "alternative treatments": Try rubbing it with plain Crest toothpaste (must be Crest--it contains an ingredient that other brands do not, which can shrink the growth) but you will need to do it religiously, at least 2-3X daily. Some folks have also had good luck doing the same thing with tea tree oil. By far, the best results I have ever seen on a sarcoid were from "Compound X" aka "X-Terra" which is an herbal formula that needs a veterinary prescription...will run around $65-80 for a tiny jar, but that tiny jar will make the darned thing turn black and fall off. (I witnessed this personally with a friend's horse last year.)

The good news is that sarcoids are almost never life threatening, and most melanomas are also harmless, but yours concerns me because of the rapid growth. Melanomas can also grow internally--another friend lost her favorite mare this spring to multiple internal melanomas. For your own peace of mind, at least have your vet look at the growth and give you a medical opinion. Our vet told us to "wait and see" on two such growths on my gray gelding's flank area. That was five years ago, and they've not grown or changed, and do not bother him, so we've left them alone. But I wouldn't hesitate to try the X-terra on them if they became a problem (or the Crest or cimetidine, for that matter).

Hope some of this helps--good luck!

cowgirlj    Posted 11-12-2002 at 18:58:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sarcoids are evil aren't they? My fiance's horse has a major sarcoid, and it is a nasty thing. He has tried everything, including laser surgery. The more you mess with it, the nastier it gets.
This mare is actually a dark chestnut w/flaxen mane and tail. I have heard of Xterra from my vet. I think a little more study, and a tough decission are in order here.
Thanks for the advice.

Hogman******That might work dependin.    Posted 11-12-2002 at 18:27:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've mostly screwed up My courage'n grabbed a scalple. Been lucky mabe, never sliced a hemotoma. Them things can get right nasty. You might mabe stand tha mare up close to a fence and You stay on tha other side ta work. Spect a handy helper ta hold tha tail would be much needed.Mabe another'un on tha would be worth a try.You could take a #14 needle and see if You can draw blood.If none mabe go ahead and open it up. Or, just go ahead'n floss.

If You do cut,I'd use H2O2 ta clean'n sanitize with,no burn like Alky gives, stops a lot of kickin...
Good luck

cowgirlj    Posted 11-12-2002 at 18:38:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks for that.
Fortunately we do have a set of stocks on the property, and a good buddy down the road has a supply of TQ if needed. I would still like to know what this thing is before I go hacking at it. Ever see a sarcoid flare up? Wouldn't want to go there!

Hogman******* right now I feel like I talked when I shoulda been listenin    Posted 11-12-2002 at 19:16:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
If it envolves cancer it gets scary. I had a very good high doller boar that got a small growth on His side. Vet checked it and said just open it up, keep it open and dreanch twice a day with proxide. I did,but right away another one came up along side but not or so it seemed connected. I opened it. Soon another and anotherand They all became conected till there was about 50% of His side opened up and I was using several bottles of proxide daily.
He showed no pain at any time but came the day when good sense took over and I gave Him His last treatment with a 12 gauge syringe.

Lets hope this isn't    Posted 11-12-2002 at 20:01:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Let's hope this thing isn't that serious.
I am sorry to about that. But sometimes a lead sleeping pill is the last resort.

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