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What would ya do bout these trespassers?
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Bentcrank    Posted 12-03-2002 at 19:55:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
game warden caught these 2 youngins standin up on their dogbox on top of their truck. They was awaitin fer the dogs to flush out a deer or two. they wus parked next to my hay shed. the game warden askst fer their writ permission to hunt the place. they tolt him they left it at home. he wrote them up. tolt them to tell the judge to sort it out with them. well now it aint a cheap fine to be huntin on posted land an git caught at it. now them two are workin up their nerve to come over an ask thet i sign up a permission slip to say theys right to hunt here. pleadin close to christmas an bein out of work and all.
shootfire- the biggist reason i posted the place wus dew to all the damage them trucks make on the road, thet an the durn fool what shot up my tin roof tryin to kill a buzzard he thought wus a turkey. so i'm thinkin thet i had sum good breaks along the way thet covered sum of my mistakes. it will depend on them boys attitude when i speak with them, but by golly if they'll show me some heart i may jest show them some slack. lord knows i been shown slack a time or 2 my own durn self. my neighbor eyeballed the arrest. he says the boys didn't have a single gun out of their truck. he said they closed the gate when they came in an agin when they left. he said they looked durn near to bein sick to their stomachs as any sober man he ever seen. i dont mean to sound like a durn fool pushover here, but i figger maybe there might be somethin these boys might gain in bein showed some kindness with a word of caution to go along with it. my mind goes back to thet old sayin- oncet shame on you, twice shame on me.
dont yet know bout what i'll dew but it has got my mind agoin here now. got a word to share about it? you can bet i'll have a listen- bent


Lynch in E.TX    Posted 12-05-2002 at 08:43:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My Best Man, and best friend is a Sheriff and he would tell you to do what you want....Game Wardens have WAY too much power as it is...they can come into your house without a search warrant any time they please...no other law enforcement agent on the local level has that power.


Lynch in E.TX    Posted 12-04-2002 at 23:44:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like ya answered ya own question there, Mr. Crank...Just make sure you put the fear of God into 'em as your writin the permission slip. Put a date on it and tell 'em that there won't be any more permission slips for your place.


Lynch in E.TX    Posted 12-04-2002 at 23:55:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like there are alot of folks who never lie or ever needed a bit of help in a bad situation. IT'S NOT LYING IF YOU WRITE THEM A NOTE AFTER THE FACT...ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE FORGETING THAT IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM AFTER THE FACT. DID THEY HURT ANYTHING? IF YOUR NEIGHBORS THINK LESS OF YOU, THEN THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM.


Short Round    Posted 12-04-2002 at 09:49:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you choose to write a permission slip "after the fact" you are also undermining the game warden and law enforcement in general. They drove on your land without permission and lied about it and will continue to try and lie and get out of it. The warden felt strong enough to write the guys up, so I would think twice before I would write a slip. What about next time when you have a problem with trespassing? I think the warden would be to busy with other things to respond to a complaint when the guy who complains writes a slip and lets the trespassers off. We all have to learn our lessons.


mike    Posted 12-04-2002 at 09:44:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
There asking you to lie (for them)to the judge,
by signing a phony statement after the fact.
I would tell the judge this also.


Gary, Mt. Hermon, La.    Posted 12-04-2002 at 08:52:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
it'd be I'd let 'em off, but..... not without gettin' some free labor from them two healthy young men. Surely there's some chores about that need doin' that you anit got time for or energy to do. Fences, roof repairs, yard work, firewood stacking etc... after all they dont mind hunt'n on ur place, maybe they would rather work on the place than pay the fine. Young people need to work, it builds character.


daniel lawson    Posted 08-18-2005 at 06:17:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i want to be one of them


TB    Posted 12-04-2002 at 14:57:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is what I was thinking that there is no such thing as a get out of jail free card.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 12-04-2002 at 06:56:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am a avide hunter, and it was drilled into my head about respecting private owners land. Even if you shoot a deer and it runs into a neighbors yard and dies a few yards in, get their blessing first. That being said, talk to the kids and see how sincerely apologetic they seem to be. Definately go thru and have them written up, and fined. But if they seem sincere, maybe talk to the judge on their behalf to reduce the fine or whatever to ease your mind. a fellow shot a deer that ran into my property, he came and asked me. I told him thanks for asking and have at it. And if he was gonna drive across my property to get it, he best just be considerate. At my in-laws, I was hunting on their property, and a deer hunter was in a stand without permission on their property, took a shot at my dog, as we were hunting birds, because it was scaring his deer. That was a pretty exciting experience. I they are not especting your property, chances are they have not respected others in the past. Maybe this will change their minds.


H. Arnold Merklethrope    Posted 12-04-2002 at 06:52:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
I bet your neighbor would have a different point of view if they were on his place! You're a fool if you let 'em off. You can bet they knew what they were doing.


Randy    Posted 12-04-2002 at 05:25:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The won't learn anything if you break the law and let them off. Some of the best lessons learned are the hardest ones. If they have done this now, they will do it again and they have done it before. It is up to you, but if I were you I would not dishonor myself by covering up for them.


Maggie/TX    Posted 12-04-2002 at 05:17:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't go breaking the law just because you're feeling warm and fuzzy here near Christmas time. If you sign them a back dated note, they will think you are a soft hearted pushover and the judge and game warden will know it's a lie so your credibility in the area will be forever damaged. Lying is lying no matter how it's done or for what reason. Don't ruin your good name for those kids.

The most you should do is speak in favor of going easy on them financially or letting them work off the fine doing community service, and make sure they know you did that....BUT, make sure they don't think of you as a pushover or a pacifist. Let them think they are lucky you didn't shoot them since they were on your property and you had no idea they were there. You are much safer if you are known as being tough but fair, but rather fond of guns and shooting on your property. If you don't target shoot now and then, start. Times have changed and so have the young people of today. They can be very dangerous if they don't have a healthy respect for you and how far they can go with you. It's much better to be thought of as a "gun nut" than to be the victim of a home invasion or burglery or the accidental shooting of you or one of your loved ones by poachers.


Tom A    Posted 12-04-2002 at 04:31:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Two years ago, a farmer here got shot by poachers on his property and has permanently lost the use of his arm.

The poachers were caught. Part of their defense was the fact that the farmer had, in the past and legally in season, allowed them to hunt his property. They were full of crocodile tears and "we just made a mistake" and "forgive us." The guy who shot the farmer lost his hunting license for 2 years--that is it!! No payment to the poor farmer, no fine, nothing.

And now they're bragging that they are still out hunting whenever and wherever they want. That is the kind of trash you're dealing with. They made their bed, let them lie in it and hopefully learn something.

Tom


scooterhead    Posted 12-04-2002 at 02:10:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
If ya do show`em some slack , I`d trade it for diggin a few ditches or pitchin some manure . Put ya a lock on that gate . If ya dont give in ya may want to be sure ya got plenty of INS. on the hay barn . Dont let them take you down with them , you sign the paper and things dont go the way they want they may spill the beans !!!


screaminghollow    Posted 12-04-2002 at 01:07:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Signing a note after the fact could well be considered assistance in the fabrication of evidence. A crime itself under the law of most states. Any consideration of signing a note would certainly depend on what their are willing to do for you. They have already indicated their lack of regard for you by ignoring the posted signs. Now they "need" you and they'll be nice for so long as needed.
I've seen and heard almost every sob story there is. Those who are accustomed to spinning BS are most effective at it. I once gave a guy a break from a severe crime, unemployed, food for family etc. only to see him buy three horses at the livestock sale the following week. I wasn't going to say a word, but I heard his teenager gripe about the fact that the new truck didn't have a CD player. Found out this is the way the guy gets through life, runs up a bill, gives bad checks and then gives a hard luck story to get out of it.
Your guys may be "churchgoers" but I'd be suspicious. Another alternative is to go to the hearing and ask the judge to take pity on them.

Keep in mind they already chose to illegally enter your property and lied to the game warden. Two strikes against them in my book.


Good Lord!    Posted 12-04-2002 at 01:01:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
What difference does it make if you write them a permission note. Nobody would be able to understand it! Now I know why a lot of city people think that country people are a bunch of illiterate morons. It's not cute, it's very irritating. I hope you don't actually talk this way.


Lynch in E.TX    Posted 12-05-2002 at 00:14:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You are the individual that resembles a moron. A hateful idiot. If it wasn't for country folk, you folks in the city wouldn't have a damn thing to eat. Even tofu comes from the country.


Good Lord!    Posted 12-06-2002 at 00:57:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here are some points to ponder:
1.) Good Lord! is my "handle"
2.) I do not live in or near anything like a city.
3.) I know where my food comes from. Take my word for it!
4.) I won't post my e-mail because I get enough junk as it is.
5.) This is an interesting site, but it's clouded by too much of this type of junk.
6.) Trying to read something that is written in intentionally tweaked English is, in my opinion, tiring at best!
7.) I don't think a question posed as an interjection requires a question mark.
8.) You are way too sensitive.
HAVE A NICE DAY!



Tom A    Posted 12-04-2002 at 04:36:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dear Good Lord!

It looks to me like you may have a run-on sentence! Oh my. Perhaps you should go back from whence you came, study English some more, and leave the rest of us to our ignorant, hillbilly bliss.

I'll sign *my* name,
Tom A


Les...Hey, Tom    Posted 12-04-2002 at 11:57:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Did you also notice that "Good Lord!" failed to use a question mark at the end of his first sentence even though a rank amateur could see that it definitely was a query rather than a declaratory statement? I grant you that the question may have been rhetorical but it was a question nonetheless.


Les...fortunate    Posted 12-04-2002 at 02:59:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Aren't you the courageous one, posting in your correct English and castigating Mr. Bentcrank without leaving even a handle or an email address? How nice it must be to be so educated that you don't even know enough to appreciate those unwashed idiots who actually have to work for a living and struggle at times. I bet you wake up in the morning every day thankful that you aren't like Bentcrank.
Can you spell "sanctimonious"?


DeadCarp    Posted 12-04-2002 at 00:56:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Heck with them - even my own kids know there ain't no bail money so use your head. This can be a cheap lesson & if they don't learn this time, something nastier will teach them. If they were dumb enough to break the rules & slow enough to get caught, i hope the're not dumb enough to ask you to break the law to save them. See, the law has bottomless resources and we don't, things are set up so's they can lose a cop a day indefinitely and there will stil be one to replace him - so the law wins anyway if they push it. As long as they don't come knockin for my guns, i'll settle for that. :)


Redneck    Posted 12-04-2002 at 00:22:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I let a young thief off because of the same reasons you gave,only to find out afterward he had a juvy record a mile long.My mistake.If there is a next time,I'd let the dogs have him!


gotta let    Posted 12-03-2002 at 23:24:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
the law do their job or next time they might not be there for you, besides they already lied about having written premission at home , my 2 bits worth


JoeK    Posted 12-03-2002 at 22:05:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
A.By giving them"permission"after the fact,you MAY be,in fact,interfering with the wardens case,also as the landowner(victim)it MAY be improper for you and them to discuss this matter prior to Court,depending on your state laws.
B.I would contact the warden,ask what he observed,see what kind of"history" these kids have,exactly what charges he is filing,illegal trespass/hunting posted property/poaching/obstructing officer etc.If kids are clean,he(Warden)may choose to drop some offenses,lessen the proferred charges,or recommend to the Judge that"reading these boys the riot act" may be adequate punishment in this instance.Judges have very broad spectrum of penalties in these matters.
C.You posted the property to keep folks OUT and damage from being done.They chose to ignore that posting either from youthful"stupidity" or attitude.Depending on these boys remorse/attitude and and mouths a difference can be made,If they tell their pals they got off because you wouldn't support your own posting expect more "guests",On the other hand if they realize THEY screwed up and by your recomendations to the Court,thru the Warden,that they got off cheaper,you become a pretty good ole boy in their eyes and talk.Two methods exist to the Courts"Spirit of the Law"&"Letter of the Law".Oft times the"Letter" can be forgiven if the"Spirit" is maintained ie:They've been edjucated that they screwed up,but got a break for whatever reason.
(These are just my thoughts,your mileage may vary)


capbuster    Posted 12-03-2002 at 20:41:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hey Bent, Was these boys a poaching deer? My neighbor heard some shootin over on my farm the other evening about dusk dark, and he proceeded to see what it was, and he got shot by poachers. They blowed two fingers offen is left hand and the next bullet cut a swath across the front of his coat tearing it to shreds. One inch closer and we would have had to bury him. I can understand your a wantin to put it on em. I have to put it on these ol boys cause they just about kilt my friend. It your sitiation, it would be according to the youngins age and there upbringin. Your in a position here to learn these boys some manners. I'll be behind you ever which one you chose. Because both ways would be right to me. If'n your a God fearin man of which I think you are, you might want to pray and ask the all mighty on how to approach this. Well that's my 2 cents worth. Y'all take care.
Capbuster


Nathan(GA)    Posted 12-03-2002 at 20:16:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess you can make that decision when ya talk to 'em. Might be able to work out some kinda deal with 'em to help you some way. It's a shame they didn't ask beforehand!

I've been cut some slack in the past. But I've also had to pay my dues a few times.


LH    Posted 12-03-2002 at 20:00:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know where your coming from and I agree with ya. id wait to make up my mind until I tlaked wiht them. Mihgt be if theyre respectful and genuinely repentant for the error they made, it could work out to your benfit and word will get around your a decent feller and others ownt trespass or at least sot to ask permission first which is waht most of us want anyway


Grove r    Posted 12-03-2002 at 20:27:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Big 10-4 on all the above....not a whole heap more I can add, cept maybe, I know you'll do the right thing when the time comes....have a gooder, R.E.L.


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