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Pine trees or cows
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Donnie    Posted 12-06-2002 at 02:42:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you have 25 acres of pasture what would be more profitable to do over the long haul, put cows on it and sale the calves every year or plant pines and sale them in 25 years?
Thanks for anyones personal advice or experiences.
Donnie,


JoeK    Posted 12-06-2002 at 06:58:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just a thought here.On our farm we used to use the woodlot and wooded land as wild pasture for heifers and steers,also had a couple acres of popple that was accessible to the dairy herd(bottomland).Cattle and trees are compatable and the cattle keep the grass/brush trimmed among the trees.Maybe a christmas tree operation or fast growth popple pulp operation could work in effect giving double use/income from the same acreage??


Salmoneye    Posted 12-06-2002 at 13:39:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I am actually looking at Cut-Your-Own Christmas Trees in the next year or two if I stay here...Have 2 acres that I could do to trees...Looking at 5 year minimum closer to 7-10 till you can cut...

Also looking at other U-Pick crops like pumpkins and sweet corn...both would go over big in my area...

Location, Location, Location...

My 2Ę...


Where Do You Live, Donnie?    Posted 12-06-2002 at 05:45:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
That makes a difference. Lynch


Donnie    Posted 12-06-2002 at 08:46:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I live in eastern N.C. about 50 miles east of Raleigh, out in the country just outside a little town called Whitakers. A lot of cow pastures here have been planted in pines as the government is paying the land owner a certain amount per acre to do so for a period of years till the timber is big enough to cut then on top of that the land owner gets the money for the timber when it is cut. I have never messed with cows but have dabbled with raising goats and such but they seem to take too much care to keep healthy to make any profit. I have been told that a average profit per cow for a year is $200.00 I have been told you can average around $5,000.00 per acre when pines are left to mature for roughly 25 years and harvested. Maybe someone could verify with their experience if these numbers are close to accurate? Thanks,
Donnie,


TB    Posted 12-06-2002 at 12:21:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Do you have a problem with multi floral rose in your area?


Donnie    Posted 12-06-2002 at 12:39:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I hate to sound ignorant but I don't know what that is so I am not sure if we have that problem or not? LOL!! What do you mean by multi floral rose? Thanks,
Donnie,


TB    Posted 12-06-2002 at 14:57:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
In some areas up in NY state years ago they planted this for the game. It grew so prolific it choked out many small trees and made many areas impassable if lift unchecked. Itís a bad weed to say the least. It just takes over. If you donít have any around trees should do ok. But like some others have said Christmas trees would have a quicker turnover rate.


Donnie    Posted 12-06-2002 at 23:09:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like the stuff we call kudzu that grows around here.


Jerry S    Posted 12-06-2002 at 11:26:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
If it were possible to make $200 per cow, I could quit my day job to raise cattle. The actual reality is that many farmers are doing good to make $10 per head. The only crops that seem to make real dollars seem to be tobacco or some illegal drugs. Otherwise, chances are you are money ahead to either rent out your place or plan on trying to break even at a hobby you enjoy.


Les...fortunate    Posted 12-06-2002 at 04:39:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
That question is impossible to answer. There's too many unknowns.
I'm a tree guy but I'd vote for the beef just because I hate to see another field grow up into woods. Around here, the pioneers worked awful hard to turn this bony place into fields and pastures. The last 150 years of neglect has allowed it to grow back up. Just in my lifetime, I've seen fields that we used to hay turn into woods that could be logged. To me, it was much nicer when we had fields.


Gary, Mt. Hermon, La    Posted 12-06-2002 at 05:38:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I got 23 acres of abandoned farm land, made pasture for cows out of 12, put long leaf pine on 7, hardwoods on 2, fruit trees on one, house and barn on the rest. The long leaf pine wont be harvested until my grand children do it. It takez some 40 years to get to saw timber size, I just like to look at them. The hardwoods I planted to attract wildlife.


Donnie    Posted 12-06-2002 at 08:55:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
How many cows do you have on your pasture and how much hay do you have to buy for them to make it through the winter? Do you make much of a profit with them or do you consider it more of a hobby? Sounds like you have a nice place. I currently have 15 acres here that I could put cows or pines on and thinking of purchasing an additional 24 more to build a cabin on in later years. I am just trying to come up with a way to put the land to work so it would help pay for itself. Thanks for your help and sharing you experiences.
Donnie,


Gary, Mt. Hermon, La.    Posted 12-06-2002 at 10:54:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
I make hay on the 12 acres, average 250 4 by 4 rounds in two cuttings for the year. I usually feed 180 to 200 depending on the rye grass crop and sell the rest to recoup my expenses for the hay crop. I "use" a another 12 acres, that my father no longer uses, for grazing pasture . I have 14 cows, one bull and anywher from 0 to 10 calves depending on birthing, selling, and butchering. Cash profit.. average 1500 to 2000 a year, add in my labor and I'm loosing my a$$, but I mostly do it for fun and meat for my parents, syblings and myself. I like fooling with hay, equipment and farm animals.


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