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Andy    Posted 12-28-2002 at 08:10:46       [Reply]  [No Email]

David Tully    Posted 12-29-2002 at 09:44:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
a forest fire is often started by a cigarette end ..........................................

Hal/WA    Posted 12-28-2002 at 22:11:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have been burning brush and logging slash piles the last 2 weeks and it is hard to get them started. The best legal way I know about is covering part of the pile with a cheap tarp or plastic sheet well ahead of the time I want to burn. Then I start the fire with my big propane torch that I bought for less than $20 at Harbor Freight, that hooks to a barbecue tank. I direct the large flame at the lower part of the relatively dry part of the pile and let it set there until the pile is burning strongly.

This also could be done using dry firewood or scrap lumber, but the method above is LEGAL and in accordance with my permit. I have burned some pretty wet piles this way.

We always used to burn a junk tire or two in every pile. It works fine, but you risk getting in trouble if you do it, at least in my area. It is specificly prohibited on the permit, and they will take your permit away and maybe fine you. I don't think it is worth the risk.

To make the pile burn more completely, I use my tractor and loader to push unburned material over the strongly burning area.

I usually do my burning earlier in the Fall, but this year was so dry that I was afraid that a fire might get away from me. Not something you want to have happen to you! You might consider postponing your burning until next fall, after the area is wet, but before your piles get so wet that you have a real tough time burning them. Those cheap blue tarps will last a year or more. Just put them over an end of the pile so the rain will run off them and weight them down with some branches so they don't blow away. Your job will be much easier. Good luck!

Hogman*** GOOD GRIEF! A PERMIT TA BURN?********    Posted 12-29-2002 at 04:44:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pretty soon You'll have ta have a permit ta breath in some places. Here in Gods Country We're expected ta call tha store'n tell em We're fixin ta burn a field but I never heard of havin ta tell anybody let alone ask permission'er have a permit ta burn a brush pile. Log decks are burned here often,only way You can have a problem is if it gets away from Ya,specialy if it gets over on tha National,Them critters can get real upset. What IS required is a dab of plain ole common horse sense bout what Your fixin ta do.

Yeh, I agree, if everybody used that We would'nt need so many regulations. That might better include tha People that like ta write regs!

Hal/WA    Posted 12-29-2002 at 22:32:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah they are real persnickity about burning in Washington State. The environazis have just about cut it off altogether, with one of the very few exceptions to legally burn being logging slash or other material from forestry. And then only with a fairly expensive permit and a lot of hoops to jump through.

I had some logging done on my property a couple of years ago. The loggers were a lot messier than I wanted them to be. They left some piles made with their skidder, but in many cases, just dropped the trees and limbed them without doing any cleanup. I have spent some free time piling the limbs and other trash into workable burn piles. They also killed hundreds of small trees during the logging, which now have roots rotted enough to break off easily to be tossed on the piles. I take some pride in my property and don't like the mess. I also am concerned with the huge fire load that was on the ground after the logging. During the late summer and early fall in my area it is very dry and fire danger is almost explosive. By cleaning up the logging debris, if a fire came through my property maybe I might have a chance of saving some of my trees.

When I got my first permit, the DNR actually sent a man to look over my piles before they would issue a permit. They made it pretty clear that I better follow the rules exactly or it would cost me. I have, even though it rankles me.

The environazis have really hurt farming in Eastern Washington, and especially Spokane and Whitman Counties. About 40 or 50 years ago, it was discovered that bluegrass produced a great deal more seed if the sod was shocked by running a fire over it after it had been combined. This also removed the straw, killed lots of weed seeds and held back some diseases and insects. Much of this area is part of the Palouse, which has very steep hills. It also was found to have the perfect climate to produce bluegass seed on a dryland basis. The farmers found that producing bluegrass seed this way was very profitable and with the sod left in place for several years before it needed to be disturbed, grass farming solved the previous very serious soil erosion problem. With wheat and other grain prices being so low, grass seed farming kept a lot of farmers afloat.

A few years ago, the State Department of Health caved in to the city people's gripes and virtually banned burning of grass fields. There was some smoke problem for a few days a year, but the farmers had tried to only burn when the prevailing winds would carry the smoke away from urbanized areas, but the environazis would not give up. They got even more than they asked for.

The farmers have tried all sorts of things to bring the yield up, but those measures cost lots of money and don't improve yields. They just can not compete with areas where farmers can burn. Many small to medium sized farms have gone belly up, and now only a few very large farmers are left. I just heard a few nights ago that one of my friends who has farmed for 30 years has had to sell off all his equipment and lease out his ground. He just could not make it under the new rules. Now he is a hired man for one of the big farmers still around.

I see this as a possibility for the forestry areas too. It is impossible to change the minds of the environmental extremists. They can not seem to understand that it is also good for the forest environment to get rid of some of the dead material in small burns, but rather would like all the junk to lay there until a big fire comes through and takes it all back to scorched earth where nothing is living. Look at the problems in Yellowstone Park the last couple of years.

If I sound a little bitter, it is because I am. I always wanted to farm, but since I didn't have enough ground, I did other things. I guess now I am real glad I was not able to ever make a living farming--I probably already would have gone bankrupt like so many of my friends. Thanks for letting me rant a little. I needed that!

Hogman********Hal it's sad but true********    Posted 12-30-2002 at 10:34:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
The old saying that "the road to He!! is paved with good intentions" and nowhere is it truer than among those who would save the Earth from "We" who are so bent on destroying it.One has to wonder how much of it is plain ignorance and how much is from something perhaps They would rather NOT have known.

Bob /Ont.    Posted 12-29-2002 at 07:51:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Morning Hogman, I'd like to comment a bit on common sense but I think I'll just use some instead.
Later Bob

Hogman********EVENIN BOB****************    Posted 12-29-2002 at 18:19:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mabe I should elaberate a bit,when it comes ta burnin woods We mostly rely on a critter here in tha neighborhood that loves ta set fires,He burns one 20 acre patch of mine every year,for tha last 18,always swear tha fire come up across Him from sommers else when it's plain as day that it was set on tha fence line twixt His place and that woods.
Last Year He burned up a few hundred feet of plastic water line for Me.
We call tha store befor burnin cause thats tha Vol'fire dept central and They keep track of fire danger which means if They say don't set it Ya best not. Too, at least some of Us have gone through tha prescribed burn school so We are supposed ta know how. Tha Neighbor only went as far as how ta strike tha match. And lastly We mostly burn on weekends so if a fire looks like it might get out of hand there would be folks at home ta answer tha call with fire trucks.

Thanks for Your post as rereadin Mine would leave some false impressions about Us "mountain Williams" :>)..............on tha other hand, reminds Me of one time up North of tha Pole..........lost tha sparkplug outta tha chainsaw'n............

buck    Posted 12-28-2002 at 12:57:04       [Reply]  [No Email]

Start on the upwind side and build a small fire like a campfire using paper and kendling wood (good dry oak,pine or what you have that is dry) and when the small fire is burning good begin to add the larger stuff from the pile. I use a gas leaf blower to keep it going once there is a good base fire. As the majority of the pile burns be ready for hand work keeping the larger stuff banked up to keep it burning.

DHunter    Posted 12-28-2002 at 10:08:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
Andy, If you access to some type of air blower it will help immensly. I use an old squirrel cage blower from a gas heating unit (I say gas as opposed to electric because it is 120 volts rather than 240 volts). Direct the air to the base of the flames and you'll get a hot fire and much less smoke.

TB    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:59:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Take a 5 gal metal bucket work it into the bottom and center if the pile. Stick some dry logs down into bucket about 4" in diameter to act as wick. Fill bucket with fuel oil. Work lots of dry wood in above and around bucket. Tie a road flare to long pole to reach in to start fire. May or may not work use method at your own risk.

Ron/PA    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:54:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Andy, You don't say where you are from, but here in PA. you can burn most anything, tires included if it is considered an ag burn. However if you are not sure, A couple of tires in the base of it will help. A fair amount of kero or diesel, and a LITTLE bit of gas to get it all going should burn about anything.
The trick to burning a pile with tires is to do it on a wet or snowy day, and light it just before dark, that covers the smoke from the tires.
Not advocating breaking the law, just tellin how to do it.

BOSS    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:19:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Easy.......use ALOT more gas.

Stmar-WY    Posted 12-28-2002 at 08:49:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Andy, Just bring it to Wyoming, it is so dry here that everything burns. Or better yet, send us your rain!!

kraig WY I agree    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:38:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
If we don't get something else to to burn we're gonna run out of forest fires in the Black Hills.

Bob/Ont    Posted 12-28-2002 at 08:27:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Try an old tire down in the bottom of the pile Andy. Hope you have lots of room around it and no wind.
Later Bob

Lazy Al    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:09:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob , I think it's quite a stiff fine for burning
a tire like that . Things arent like they used to
be . Lots of tree hugger these days .
I'd say wait untill it's a real thick fog on the
tire thing .

Bob/Ont    Posted 12-28-2002 at 09:14:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Guess I'm a bit out of touch with things these days Al. Should have said use some kindeling wood.
Later Bob

DeadCarp - yeah, kindling wood , yeah    Posted 12-28-2002 at 11:08:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
with an old tire or 2 jammed under it!
Note: After dark you can better see where the fire is going without having to look at the black smoke. :)

Now mind you, i'd never advocate actually burning a tire, just use your pocket knife to carve little strips of rubber along the tread to help get it started! No sir, the tire's just to make sure the kindling works. After a few minutes, if anybody comes along & objects, hand them a pair of gloves and stay well clear while they drag the burning tire out of the 8-foot flames. :)

Ron/PA    Posted 12-28-2002 at 13:05:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Flames at night are a common site here, especially on a snowy night. However a column of black smoke against a bright blue sky is a bit different.
If you come by my home tonight you will see a large fire, and a whole bunch of kids sleigh riding, and warming up around it.
As I said, Its leagle here in PA. All I try to do is reduce the obvious.

Ron/PA    Posted 12-28-2002 at 13:06:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry "Legal"

Bob/Ont    Posted 12-28-2002 at 08:45:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
One more thing Andy, see you posted this on the heavy iron board too. If you are running around fires with a dozer, make sure you can get the side guards and floor plates open easy and have a fire extinguisher handy in the event you have a skidpan fire start up on you.
Later Bob

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