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RC    Posted 01-18-2003 at 10:52:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
BIG BROTHER HAS AN AGENDA. IF THEY FEEL YOUR TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN DIFFERENT VALUES AND MORALS AT HOME, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE TEACHING THEM AT SCHOOL.GUESS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN..... From Lebanon Pa.....Lebanon Daily News


School wants to grade parents
By JOHN LATIMER


Tuesday, January 14, 2003 -

Staff Writer

The Lebanon School District may add a category on student report cards that would indicate whether or not parents are sufficiently involved in their children's educations.

In a political atmosphere that demands greater accountability from school districts and teachers for student success, district Superintendent Marianne Bartley told school board members last night that she believes parents should also be held accountable.

The district has a parental relations policy that states parents must stay involved with their children's education by doing things like attending parent-teacher conferences, keeping track of homework assignments and signing appropriate forms.

Bartley said she doesn't feel all parents are aware of the policy and suggested the district add the parental involvement category on the report card to remind them. A teacher would simply indicate yes or no on the report card.

Having a negative notation on the report card could serve as a "wake-up call" to parents whose child is performing poorly at school, Bartley told the board.

A record indicating parental involvement, or the lack of it, would also be useful when the district sends test results to the state and federal governments, she said.

"It could draw a correlation between parental involvement and student success," Bartley said.

But simply indicating whether or not a parent fulfilled expectations does little for the student, school board member Rose Marie Kotay said.

"If you see a correlation between parental involvement and student achievement, then what are we going to do about it other than check a box, which does nothing for the student?" Kotay asked.

Bartley admitted there was little influence the district could wield over parents, but she said she felt continually reminding them of their responsibilities would have some benefits. She also said one of the district's two student-service coordinators could contact parents at home to encourage better participation.

The superintendent said she had received support for the idea from a number of parents she approached about it.

"Frankly, I was pleased to hear from the parents I spoke to ... from a variety of schools and backgrounds that felt it was a good thing to put that on the report card," she said. "They felt that for those parents who haven't been involved, it would be a reminder."

But it still wouldn't be enough, Kotay repeated.

"If we are going to put that on a report card, it needs to be for a meaningful purpose," she said. "With the initiation of No Child Left Behind, things have changed considerably. And somehow we need to make parents understand that the stakes in the game have really been ratcheted up in terms of what your child is expected to learn."

Lebanon is one of only a handful of school districts nationwide that has been selected to advance President Bush's No Child Left Behind education policy through a pilot program using a computer-based academic achievement program. As part of the president's policy, parents of children in schools that repeatedly fail to show that all students are achieving according to their ability would have the right to move their children to other schools.

"Everybody talks about parental rights," school director John Shott said. "It's all tied into the whole choice movement. But when you talk about parental responsibility, then everybody dummies up."

Bartley agreed.

"That is why we need to do something," she said. "If we just say the parents have the right to request that a child goes to another school ... it does nothing for our school. I think as we start looking at what we are talking about regarding parental involvement and we are advertising it, discussing it and living up to it, then we are changing that. No Child Left Behind doesn't say anything about what are the responsibility of the parents."


salaries Nan(TX)    Posted 01-19-2003 at 10:06:38       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi All,
Here in Texas we have no union that why we rank so low for teachers pay but the superintendent and administration get over 100,000.00 for there salaries. School districts whine and complain about a tight budget but somehow find it easy give their superintendent a $20,000 raise as was the case in a local school district just recently.
Take care Nan


Nan(TX)oops it's $160,000 per year not 100,000    Posted 01-19-2003 at 11:39:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
1/17/03 LISD trustees extend Sharp’s contract
By MEGAN OLECKI
The Lufkin school board on Thursday night extended Superintendent David Sharp's contract for two years at a rate of $160,000 per year.
The board reviewed the superintendent, who has been with the district since November 1996, in a lengthy executive session.
Board President Andra Self said the board feels confident in Sharp's leadership and the accomplishments of him and his team, including administrators, teachers and paraprofessionals.
She also said the board feels confident in the performance of LISD students as a result of the leadership. The district last year achieved "recognized" status from the Texas Education Agency.
"We applaud you and your staff and look forward to working with you," Self told Sharp.
"I appreciate the vote of confidence from the board," Sharp said after the meeting. He said the district has made great strides with its excellent staff and involved parents, but "we still have a whole lot more to do."
Sharp's new salary is a $20,000, or 14.4 percent, increase from his previous salary of $140,000 per year. Self attributed the increase in part to the fact that Sharp requested no increase last year, as he wanted to accomplish some of his goals first. She also said that even with the increase, Sharp's salary still is low next to comparable districts in the area.
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2003/01/17/1042780532.01917.7400.5453.html

This is from the
Texas Federation of teachers
Each year when the school term draws to a close Texans witness a large migration as teachers complete their contract with one school district roam around seeking greener pastures. Some teachers flee the profession for more lucrative fields of endeavor, but mostly the migrating teachers seek school districts where the pay and benefits are better. In a typical year about 20 percent of our members will trade in their old classroom for a different job somewhere else.
This quest is usually an exercise in futility, since the best-paying school districts in Texas don't come close to competing with school districts in other industrialized states. The average Texas teacher salary this year is $39,518, while the national average (according to the National Education Association) is $43,335. Shopping for better pay in Texas is a little like searching out the best house in Dogpatch; even the best is none too good. You must leave the state to find the big bucks.




Dave 2N    Posted 01-19-2003 at 05:52:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Like anything else, the real answer/issue lies somewhere in the middle. A teacher can only do so much with inferior raw material and a lot of it is inferior (including kids and parents) because of declining morals, single-parent households, drugs, alscohol, lack of respect, etc.
Another factor is Boards of Education, Administraors and State Education Departments that don't have a clue.
Then there are the yuppie liberal parents and their skewed view of life. Mix in some teachers that are trying to do their jobs but feel that as "professionals" (members of UNIONS) they should be paid as much as doctors and this is the mess you have.
We need to wipe out the influence of the liberal 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, reinstitute accountability for administrators, parents, kids, students and teachers and get back to real learning.
Also, not every kid is college material or even material for year after year of English or History classes. Trade schools are an excellent alternative for a lot of these kids.
AND-I've found over the years, that the people who complain most about schools and teachers are people who either have never had kids and/or people who would get run out of a class room or would end up under a desk, blubbering and crying after just a couple of hours of teaching. So there are many sides to this issue.
If you want your local school to pay attention to you, get a bunch of parents together, plan to attend the next school board meeting and notify the media in advance so the media will cover the parent group's attendance at the BOE meeting. Believe me, you will see things begin to happen fast! Superintendents and Boards of Education don't like publicity/
And that's my educational potpurri for today.
Have a good and safe day, everyone.


Hogman*** JUST STUCK MY NOSE IN FOR A SECOND    Posted 01-19-2003 at 12:16:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll say a very large AMEN to the above post!Having started out in a one room School house in 1928 all the way to University in the 70's I sometimes feel tha whole kit'n caboodle should be thrown out including parents,ACLU etal and start over.
When a Teacher can't even pick up a little Tyke that just fell and skinned a shin let alone hug it.When Teachers cannot spell. When the system demands so many "cover Your axx" letters and reports from Teachers that They have little time for teaching. When those who created this beloved system and rule same make huge wages while the Teachers scratch with the chickens. Kids who have no desire to learn or fear to show said desire. Parents who could care less. fifty Years of Dr Spock have taken a decided toll on this Nation!

And, speaking of, I know I mentioned this befor but worth repeating. During hearings in DC,late 70's Dr Spock was called to testify as to what His book had done towards undermining child rearing. He stated under oath that" I wrote the book as a spoof,a farce" never dreaming that anyone would see it as anything else. But, when all the national experts in child rearing proclaimed it to be the ultimate guide book I (He) had no choice but to go along with it."

What massive damage from one mans Ego!!!!!!!!!!!!

With that I take My leave. things not good with Mama Hog.


Another Spoof That Is Out Of Hand...    Posted 01-19-2003 at 16:29:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Elron Hubbard: "Scientology"

The 'Religion' of the New Age...Just ask anyone in Hollywood...Originally written as a total spoof...He was a Science Fiction Writer...and this is not a clue to these people?

Some people will swallow anything...


Well said!!!! Hogman Nan(TX)    Posted 01-19-2003 at 13:30:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think somewhere along the line we bought into the propaganda that the so called “experts” know how to better raise our children than we do. We listened to those voices that screamed “Your doing it wrong.. If you keep doing that you will damage that child to a point that he’ll never recover from, no mater how many psychologist you send him to”. So instead of trusting our on intuition and or instincts or experiences . We go to the book store and buy the latest fad on how to rear children.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife.
Take care Nan


Let me get this straight Nan(TX)    Posted 01-18-2003 at 14:08:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]

A parent is asked to do things like attending parent-teacher conferences, keep track of homework and assignments and signing appropriate forms.
Can anybody show me were in the article it says “IF THEY FEEL YOUR TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN DIFFERENT VALUES AND MORALS AT HOME, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE TEACHING THEM AT SCHOOL.GUESS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN”. I missed that one.
The general censuses of this board is “bunch of crap, hold the teachers and administrators accountable when things go wrong” .
It’s like everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die. You bring children into this world but can’t be bothered with signing a note , are going to a parent-teacher conference are asking if they have done their homework. They are your children not the school’s are the state’s are the government. Isn’t it time you took a little responsibly for their welfare . It’s no wonder Johnnie can’t read.
Take care Nan



RC    Posted 01-18-2003 at 18:21:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen,Nan, I'm with you all the way !


Ray    Posted 01-18-2003 at 15:09:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
another thing, just did a quick calculation, between the wife volunteering at the school and dropping off donations for parties and field trips and parent teacher conferences and telephone time with teachers and all the email that goes back and forth we figure we spend an average of 8 hours a week in direct contact with our 2 schools is that enough??


Nan(TX)    Posted 01-18-2003 at 16:29:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi Ray,
Wow that’s way too much home work!!! You are right a lot of the rules are made for fear of lawsuits. Do you remember the student that threw the coffee at (I think it was the teacher) .Then sued the school and won because she got burned.
It gladdens my heart to see parents like you and your wife. Good job !!!!
I think there should be some kind of recognition for parents that take care of the sometimes overwhelming and sometimes thankless job of parenting. I wish more parents would take a leaf out of you and your wife’s book and get down to the business of raising their children. You have people that don’t know are care were their children are.
Lets just say that it got under my skin when I got the impression that it was to much trouble to sign a paper are if you needed to have a conference with the teacher over something that it wasn’t important to attend.
Take care Nan


Ray    Posted 01-18-2003 at 17:14:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Nan
The schools are a real sore spot for us here in Pender County, NC.
They have what I call the "Bubba System" where they all cover each others tails, they lie right to your face and another will swear to it,my kids have come home with discipline reports that state the child was disrespectful to a teacher but when the teacher is asked to write us a note explaining how the child was disrespectful,so that we may correct it at home,we get no response.
There is favoritism,nepatism (spelling?)and yes even racism all the way down to the bus drivers.Two of my children are special needs kids, my son was (last year)sent through the juvenile justice system for yelling at the loudspeaker during announcements. The loudspeaker is right next to his desk and he is very sensative to loud sounds and he over reacted...6 mos.probation and 24 hours community service...I raised a fit when they wanted him to do his comm. service in the kitchen of a privately owned (for profit) nursing home in another county!! They buckled and let him work at the Boys and Girls Club doing landscaping and cleaning.
Boy I could tell you stories.........


Ray    Posted 01-18-2003 at 15:02:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dear Nan,
My wife and I are heavily involved in our childrens education. Homework around here is a 3+hour event 4 days a week (3:30 to 6:30)x 3 kids
5th,8th and 9th grades. It was not uncommon for my youngest to come home with 4 hours of work at least 3 times a week.That is until I pitched a fit with her teachers and told them in simple english that our time is our time and not theirs! As parents we also need time to teach the social skills no longer taught in schools.
I get flyers (sent home from the PTO)explaining the newest fundraisers and using phrases like "you might could win some great stuff". we have teachers that still can't spell my childs last name correctly, a school system that punishes the parents by suspending the kids from the bus for leaving their knee sticking out in the aisle while riding 3 to a seat that was designed for 2. Kids in the 9th grade that cannot spell worth a darn because they were taught to spell phonetically, never mind make change. Rules and regulations that because of "Columbine" make teaching almost impossible. Yes I blame the teachers for not using good sense when it comes to discipline and the administrators for not allowing the teachers to teach


Ray    Posted 01-18-2003 at 12:32:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think that its a bunch of crap the way that these school systems are trying to shift the blame for their lack af ability to educate. My wife and I stay involved with our childrens education and hold the teachers and administrators accountable when things go wrong.
The parents of all school age children should start holding the school's tail to the fire when they don't perform. Here in NC they spend more time teaching "The Test", thats the End of Grade Test, than they do teaching the 3 R's and common sense. As far as I'm concerned the school board should be more parents than professional administrators and I'm getting off now because I'm getting pi$$ed........ you can bet I've got a lot more to say but not in mixed company. Let 'em try and grade me for my performance as a parent, I dare them.


Somebodys got to teach them Values and Morals    Posted 01-18-2003 at 12:04:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Take a look at the people that want to grade the parents.

Alvin-Va


That link expired in a hurry.    Posted 01-18-2003 at 12:17:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lets try this one.


Alvin-Va    Posted 01-18-2003 at 12:33:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Somebody help me here,trying to link to an article in yesterdays edition of the Washington Post,headline is'$5 Million and Rising'.Several good articles in the past few days about the graft and corruption in the teachers unions.

Link should be wysiwyg://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a9035-2003jan17.html


Salmoneye    Posted 01-18-2003 at 15:26:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
To read any Washington Pots article the person has to fill out a questionaire first...that is why the links will not work for those without the cookie on their system...

Article is still there though...

HTH


Alvin-Va    Posted 01-18-2003 at 18:09:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Salmoneye.
Dang,I should have figgured that one out,guess my fingers and toes are not the only thing thats frozen.Just realized both of my good brain cells are suffering from frostbite,bad enough that it was +6 here this morning,then ya'll started talking about them minnus naught temps.Wheres Al Gore with all that Global Warming when we need it?

BTW,you may have spelled the newspapers name correctly the first time. :-)


OOPS    Posted 01-18-2003 at 15:27:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
That should be Washington Post...Not Pots LOL


WallSal55 - Interesting Article....Perhaps...    Posted 01-18-2003 at 11:09:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
...the parents need a report card, too. I have a hard time with that being on the kid's report card, though. The student's report card should
be for them and them alone.


WallSal55    Posted 01-18-2003 at 11:15:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you have good teachers that are conscientious--
they will pick up a phone and call you if you child has troubles; OR send home a note from school to speak w/you in person or give you the
time of day to call them at school.
It's the parents who do not respond to these
notes, phone calls, conferences that need a report
card!


Ira    Posted 01-18-2003 at 11:29:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think it would be more effective if the parents were allowed to grade the schools.


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