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Propagating grapes
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Tom A    Posted 01-20-2003 at 08:08:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Please help!

My Dad grew grapes in our backyard while I was growing up. I don't know what varieties he had, but there were red, purple, and green ones and they all tasted much different from what you eat in the store (better).

While I was gone, they died off one-by-one and there is only one surviving vine left, and it must be at least 40 years old. I've been trying for 3 years to get a rooted cutting from it. I've tried cutting small slips in the spring using rooting hormone, but that didn't work at all. Last year, I tried air-layering and it looked like that was going to work but my Mom (with the best of intentions) apparently clipped it off prematurely and killed it.

There isn't a lot of new growth on this old vine and I think I'm running out of time and really want to save a piece of this family history. What is the best way to get a live cutting off of a grape?

thanks,
Tom


Patria / PR    Posted 01-20-2003 at 20:54:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
TomA
Keep us posted , I'd like to know how's going with the vines.


Dukester    Posted 01-20-2003 at 15:21:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you have enough new growth to reach the ground bury 2 buds about 16 - 18" deep and bring at least 2 buds up to the wire. Do this as early in the spring as you can. In about 3 years when the vine coming out of the ground is bigger than the vine going in cut the vine loose from the mother. If you can't get enough growth to do this, cut the vine off at the top of the ground while it is dormant(like right now)When the new growth comes up from the roots keep the best 2 shoots. If you trim the vine back hard - leave 20 - 30 buds and fertilize heavy you'll usually get a lot of growth.


Patria / PR    Posted 01-20-2003 at 20:31:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dukester
I use this method quite often, I find it works really good with most vine-like plants like fruts and ornamentals also. Have even tryied it with plants very hard to grow from a cutting.



fw    Posted 01-20-2003 at 12:39:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
i had a runner on the ground that i layed a brick on and believe it or not it rooted into the
ground you might not want to try this, but good luck.


Patria / PR    Posted 01-20-2003 at 20:50:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
fw
My aunt used to burry a rusted big nail next to her cuttings..


Old Sarge    Posted 01-20-2003 at 12:36:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Grandma used to take the end of a young (new growth) runner, pull the leaves off and bury it in the gropund. Near as I can recall about 6 inches deep. It would then put out new roots. After the second year she would cut that branch from the old stalk. This was a annual program, done in the spring every year.

You can do the same thing with blackberries.

I can't remember Grandma ever buying a new grape vine. This was 60+ years ago. My youngest sister still has some of the plants she took with her 45 years ago when she got married. Still doers the rooting. Her husband, a Texas A & M graduate learned how to do it from her. Ha Ha. Them college edjumaketed kids don't know everthing.


Patria / PR    Posted 01-20-2003 at 20:47:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Old Sarge
You never told me how did it go at the party you and your wife went in January 6.

Take Care


Salmoneye    Posted 01-20-2003 at 08:43:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dunno what air-layering is, but here...everywhere a vine touches the ground for very long it throws out roots...I have wild grapes that run 100 yards and it is darn near impossible to find the 'parent'...


sorry....    Posted 01-20-2003 at 09:45:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Air layering is supposed to be a way to get hard-to-start stuff to root. The way I learned it, you cut strips of bark off around a twig or branch leaving some places where the bark is in place so the branch continues to be fed by the plant. You dust the area with rooting stuff and wrap it in damp moss followed by plastic. The place is supposed to grow roots and when they're big enough you can cut off the branch and plant the new cutting with roots already established.

I'll give pushing a runner in the dirt and see what happens, hopefully it'll root. Guess I gotta keep Mom away from it, though!

thanks,
Tom A


Salmoneye    Posted 01-20-2003 at 10:04:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Basically sounds like the same principle.

I know it can be done as most winerys are acre after acre of 'clones'....

Let us know how it goes...I have some true Concords that I would like to expand...


Patria / PR    Posted 01-20-2003 at 20:44:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Salmoneye
Tryied this one myself many times with great results, I check it like every three weeks to add some more of the hormone or rooting pouder, and keep it moist at all times.


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