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Temporary Insanity...has this happened to you?
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Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 04:49:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm trying to think of the last time I lost control as badly as I did a few nights ago, and I come up empty.
It was late. Sundown was racing me home and I don't know why, but to me, feeding animals in the dark is the worst thing in the world. I was going to make it home before dark if it killed me. I had to pick up my son from a friendís house, and the minute he got in the car he started on me about Wednesday night church youth group. I had no time to go the ten minutes out of the way to drop him off and I told him he would just have to be understanding about that this time.
ďWhy not, why can't I go, it'll take five minutes, you never let me go anywhere, I never get to do anything.Ē
ďThis canít possibly be true,Ē I said, ďor you wouldnít even bother to ask, right?Ē
I explained to him that we needed to get home and feed, unload the groceries and make dinner, and furthermore I was not going to have time to pick him up after church. Still he went on like a thirteen year old is prone to do. I finally turned the radio up full blast to drown him out although I could still hear him mumbling to himself in the back seat.
We pull in the yard and the first thing I noticed is that somebody had left the bungee cord off the trash can and garbage was scattered all over the yard. I shrugged it off for the moment and assigned all three kids one particular section of animals to feed. My son ran in the house to use the phone.
"Two minutes, Mom, I swear."
He was still trying to secure a ride to church. I load up with about six bags of groceries and head for the door. About that time he comes out, mad, slams the door and heads for the back to do his feeding. I shuffle the bags around trying to free a few fingers to open the door, trip over a puppy on my way up the steps, almost fall, regain my balance and reach for the knob.
Only to find it securely locked.
"Boy!" I screamed. "You locked the stupid door! Where's the stupid keys?"
"In the..." he paused, screwed up his face, put his hands on his hips and finished with..."stupid house".
"You're kidding me, right?" I hissed.
"No, this wouldn't have happened if you'd let me go to church."
Okay, I was swearing now. Iíll admit it. Using words I'd been taught as a kid in school and making up new ones. Putting them together in ways that made no sense at all. I'm standing there with fifty pounds of groceries and no where to take them. While I try to decide which kid is going to go through which window, my son comes walking back up, arms folded across his chest.
"What are you doing back here? You can't be done feeding already."
I know he too, was trying to figure out how to get in the house but I needed him to be feeding. About that time, our escape artist calf Rocky comes thundering past. I finally found a pasture he can't get out of and stick boy had forgotten to close the gate and let him out.
"You didn't close the gate."
The tone of my voice convinced him that a lie would be appropriate at the moment, I saw it coming and cut him off with a glare. I'm still standing there holding groceries trying to make my head work right in the midst of chaos. I go back to the van, have to wrestle the door open to put the groceries back in. If I don't close the door between loads the cat jumps in and sprays, and the puppies drag the groceries out. This action is so incredibly counter productive to what I need to be doing that I swear some more.
"Get your skinny little rear end out there and feed those pigs." I say to my son, while I start testing windows. Having already messed up everything so badly he went for broke.
"No." He said, with just a hint of fear in his voice.
"Okay." I said, deceptively calmly . "Just remember how you treated me when I needed you. You will get the same from me. Nothing." I left him to the window testing and head back to do his feeding.
My daughter dropped feed in the pen for the pigs, and Rocky promptly jumped the three foot pig panel fence and headed straight for it and the head butting and squealing and angry mooing started. I stumble across the pasture in the near darkness, sobbing. Fine. I donít care who knows, I had lost it. I was frustrated and angry. By the time I got to the feed container I was boohooing like a little kid lost in Disney World. I bent over to scoop feed out for the pigs, blinded by tears, so mad I was shaking, and the lid fell down and hit me on the head. That was the icing, I think on the cake that sent me fully and finally over the edge.
Going back through the eight foot gate I stopped to slam it open and shut about a half dozen times, hard enough to lift it off it's hinges, so I spent the next five minutes putting it back on. Still sobbing. I kicked out at the puppy who had tripped me earlier. "Get out of my way." I growled. Although I missed her by two feet she ran off yelping and hid under the house. The kids had found a way in the house and had unloaded all the groceries. My son was standing in the yard trying to decide how close he should get to me. I settled it for him when I went in the house and locked the door behind me.
"How long you gonna leave him out there?" My daughter asked.
"I don't know.....what day is this?" I replied.
I left him out there until about nine o'clock. Every now and then he would come and quietly jiggle the knob, just testing, and I got some pleasure out of that. When I finally let him back in we glared at each other.
"None of this would have happened if you'd let me go to church." He said shakily.
"What you mean is none of this would have happened if you'd gotten your way." I replied. "Don't expect to get it again anytime soon." He was thoughtfully and thankfully silent at this statement.
The next morning I woke him up at five thirty and made him get Rocky back where he belonged. In the dark. I made him feed all the animals. In the dark. He will not see the inside of that church for at least three weeks, I donít care if his soul IS in jeopardy. He thinks Iím mean and told me so and still isnít quite sure how everything went so wrong so fast. Even though I know that some days tend to be like this I know that itís my fault that things got so out of control. I accept responsibility for my behavior and plead temporary insanity.

Bob    Posted 02-06-2003 at 16:41:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
You should be thankful your son wants to go to Church activities. I have a 13 year old into death metal rock, etc.. I ask a minimum of my kids in the way of Church attendance, and for that I get the most horrible behavior fom this boy that is humanly imaginable... he acts as if he is demonically posessed, and is just weird at the few Church activities he is required to attend.

Cindi    Posted 02-06-2003 at 19:10:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Could you e mail me please Bob?

steve II JD4000    Posted 02-05-2003 at 19:15:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Cindi.. No I did not lost all the hogs.. I had hogs at different age.. older pigs were in other pen, sows in other pen and sows in building that are soon to have pigs.. real problem with those hogs were kind of mean ones, York hogs would have been the best choose. I just sold them all right before I got out of high school so I can plan on college or something.. should have keep on going till I was ready. anyway my parents lost the farm so that was best I did sold them so it was not too much a problem where to move them to. I sure missed life on that farm it was something like I can do whatever I want but there is work to be done. it's like I can use the tractor when dad is not using them in feild. I always enjoy using the loader tractor that I still have right now. now I am living on farm where my uncle farm. I am married now 3 years in may no kids yet.. I know what it will be like when the kids become teenager I guess need to get ready like now and start learning what to do when this like your problem comes up. I think life out in country is better than in town when there are aminals to be feed and watch them grew. my wife grew up in BIG city she does't know much about life out in country, my uncle had cows here on farm she always go out and visit them even throw them some hay before uncle shows up to feed them they are just feed. and yes there were calfs too.... one thing I dont want move in city, want stay out in country and have a bit of land.

Cindi    Posted 02-06-2003 at 04:03:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh, that scared me to death. I could see this fire and all these pigs...and I love my pigs. I have to agree with you, there is no better life. I'm waiting right now for three gilts to give birth and I know when it happens it's going to be hard work, but so much fun! REALLY IRONIC.....we had a fire yesterday in the field behind the house and it was heading right for my boars. I had to stand there with a hose until the FD got it out. Whatever you do, don't tell me any stiroes about tornadoes!

Patria / PR    Posted 02-05-2003 at 17:50:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have two married kids, and one 15y/old girl home. I have to say that she's my female answer to your son. Although she's a good girl at home, is not the same at school. Got good grades but she can't seem to keep away from trouble at school. Two months ago she was asked to 'voluntarily' stay at home for a week until the director got everything straighten out at school after a missunderstanding. Two weeks ago her opinionated [big] mouth got her an injury from a ball in the neck. Spent a day in the hospital with a severe spasm. Last year she got in a fight with another girl and had to go to the school nurse to get attention from her small injuries.
I mean Cindi, our newborn baby does not come with an instruction's manual. And as a mother, we have every intention to make it work.
It always work for me to seat and talk after a moment of temporary insanity. Even when they won't show it right away, they are listening. And I noticed you have a way with words.
You're doing a great job mom.

Cindi    Posted 02-06-2003 at 04:08:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I remember her injury and remember you saying that the other girl did it on purpose, but I didn't know she instigated. Yep thats Jake all over. My husband is fond of saying that one day Jake will meet that kid who is just that much toughtr than he is and will get the lesson he needs.

Patria / PR    Posted 02-06-2003 at 06:50:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It was a boy the one who hit her with the ball. She says she did not started it and the kids that saw the whole thing told me she didn't instigate the situation. What I meant was that she gets in trouble more than I'd like to admit. The school director has her own interpretation about the way others react to Beny's ways, [but that's another $20] and she realy cares for her. The thing is that she's very independant, doesn't take crap from anybody and she has a big mouth. And that's not all bad, she will understand that one could be in charge if we learned to be patient. That's the key, in her case. "She/he did or said this or that, am I suppose to walk on?"
It's not easy when we are trying to keep them from trouble and teach them what we've learn. We can only do as we are doing , 'lecture' as you said, ground them if deserved and talk talk and then talk some more.
oh well Cindi, we'll see...

screaminghollow    Posted 02-05-2003 at 17:45:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
While, I've been there and done that, I am reminded of a sign that used to hang in the Court Clerk's office in Upper Marlboro Maryland. To paraphrase a little, it went "Your failure to plan ahead and get things here on time, does not under any circumstances create an emergency for me."
We have all had "those" days. Further, I hate it when people use religous righteousness to try to get their selfish way. Your son has to realize that a family unit is like a Communist collective and everyone needs to cooperate and work for the common good. On the other hand, the world wouldn't have ended if the stock got fed ten minutes later. I try to keep to a regular feed schedule, but, if I have to, the critters don't usually mutiny too bad if they have to wait an hour or two. There will always be critters on this place, some just tolerated, some liked some loved. None of them are as important as making sure my kids have a life too. I don't know how long it takes you to feed or what your set up is. I have worked hard to make sure the feeding can be done in a very few minutes. I've got a sheep pen, two horse pens, a goat pasture and cattle in another pen. I can drop hay directly from the loft into the goat pen and for one horse paddock. The other is fifty feet from the barn. I got a little wagon the right size for a bale of hay for the sheep and cattle, whose pens are about 200 feet from the barn. If I really bust my butt, I can feed everyone in about 6 minutes. Not every place is set up for efficient feeding, nor can all animals be fed by throwing in some hay.
I'd try having a sit down with him and explain that families occasionally require someone sacrifice something for the good of the family. You sometimes sacrifice your time to take him to the church, and still have to feed critters, and the family. When things happen, like delaying your trip home, you are often so rushed trying to get everything done, that there's not enough time for everything. Priorities have to be set. You are the boss and you pick what, how and when things have to give. When your frazzled by life, you don't need anyone aggravating the situation. What he was doing may have seemed reasonable to him, but at the time, it sure wasn't anywhere near reasonable considering the stresses and constraints on you. Tell him you will try to do better and ask him to do the same.

Cindi    Posted 02-06-2003 at 04:20:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know what you're saying. I too have made an effort to make the feeding chore as simple as possible. But we have hogs and they are naturally as far from the house as possible. There are four seperate areas encompassing an area approx the size of three acres. The boar and sow pens, the post farrowing/weaned sows pens, the gilts, and then the weeaner babies, and there is a feed container at each area. I think what bothers me about feeding in the dark is a) no eye contact with the animals (I could have a boar or sow out and not even realize it until we came face to face in the dark) and b) snakes or c) farrowing sows (I could have a sow farrowing and not be aware of it. We don't have electric out there yet. We are working on it as the budget allows. I'll try to post some pics one day and you'll see what I mean. I think what happened that night was that things kept heaping up and spiralled out of control. The trash, the cow getting loose, the door got locked, and so on.

Donna from Mo    Posted 02-05-2003 at 14:38:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, you sure did make me count my blessings tonight. I am so glad my two kids are grown!

steve II JD4000    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:42:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Cindi... wow long story.. yeah I know what you must have been feeling... I grew up on farm and go to church.. church going is parent's rules.. I had 20 to 30 head of HOGS.. those were my FFA hogs, I had to take care of them morning before school and after school even after church. sure thing I had to check on them all time be sure they have feed and water (unfrozen that been a real problem) and be sure they are't trying to brake out. One sunday Morning before church I was total tired out did't check on the Sows they were having their pigs. I know that there one of the sow that dont like having any one or body around sow gets real MEAN and jumps over. so I put it off for after church.. bad thing happen when my mom come to me ask DID YOU CHECK ON YOUR SOWS?!?!?!?!... dad just started walking right out the door..!!! I dont even know what going on. and mom said the sow building just BURNED DOWN!!... I said NO WAY!! sure did happen.. it must had been that mean sow.. I did checked on them the night before about 12am!! they were all fine. never know what happen. must have knock one those heat lamp off to floor...

that was about 15 year ago.

JanO    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:09:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Cindi you couldn't have posted this story at a better time for me. I just came home from my sons school where he was suspended for, among other things, punching out a kid on the PE field. He's 11 years old and I swear that he is not going to make it to 12 at the rate he's going. (We have year round school here, where the kids go for 3 mos., then are off for a month, then back for another 3 mos.) He just started back on Monday and so far he's found a way to cause trouble every single day. Right now it's all I can do to be in the same room with him, I'm so mad. If this qualifies as "temproary insanity", I'm quilty.

Don't get me wrong, he not always a rotten kid, in fact he's quite gentle, sensative, and pleasant at times. But I have to admit that I'm wondering what I'm going to have to do to keep him in check. Anyway, he's kicked out of school till Friday so that means that under the circumstances I'm going to have some free labor around here and I plan on taking full advantage of it. Believe me, this kid is going to want to go back to school, and stay there, just so he doesn't have to deal with me.

I love the fact that you locked the door behind you when you finally got in the house. Probably did him some good to sit outside and think about it.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:56:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
wait wait wait....are you saying you lost all your hogs?

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:42:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Keep the faith Jano, if it makes you feel any better Jake actually used to be a lot worse. He has made leaps and bounds the last couple of years. He used to start the fights, now he just finishes them. There used to be no talking to him, now he listens to reason (sometimes). His dad handles him better than I do as he never threatens, just gets right to the rear end. I want him to grow up and learn to make the right choices. Once he grows up and there is no threat of corporal punishment what is going to keep him in line if he isn't a good choice maker? This has come about with a lot of talking by me, and my husband and school officials. His grades sucked and that's why I pulled him out for the rest of the year to get him caught up academically. Have to see how he does next year.

JanO    Posted 02-05-2003 at 13:29:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I appreciate your words of encouragement Cindi. Right now I need 'em. Have a question though, how hard was it to pull him and start the home schooling? This is definatly something that I'm thinking about.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 14:39:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Small communities are a lot easier. You just write a letter to the school superintendent telling him that you are going to homeschool your child and go to the school and withdraw him. It's a big step but not so hard. They will give you a school law thing that will scare the he11 out of you but don't let it. There are tons of support groups for homeschoolers. IF you make sure they know that THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY THEY RUN THE SCHOOL, it is because of his behavior, etc, they will bend over backward to help you. I didn't even buy text books, I use historical movies, internet math and make up my own reading and spelling assignments. Two hours a day we devote to nothing but school work. It's actually a lot easier if you have a friend in the school system that gives you some idea of what the kids are studying or a child in the same level nearby a neighbor maybe, or a child in a grade higher. Look at it this way. If your child is not excelling in school anyway, what have you got to lose?

Les...fortunate    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:05:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Great story. You stick to your guns, girl. I'd be interested to see what the leader of this church youth group had to say. If he/she doesn't take your side I would be very surprised. After all, you are the one with way more responsibility for that kid's soul than they are, ultimately.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:44:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Les, I hope you still plan to look me up when you're down this way. I'm really not a loony toon.

cowgirlj    Posted 02-05-2003 at 10:30:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You put into words the way my whole daily life was while raising three boys. I hope you see the humor in yourself and your children and the experiences you have together! It is a wonderful thing to be able to look back some day, with your children, and laugh with each other about the memories you have built as a family.
I love your stories, keep it up girl, you are doing just fine!!

Jimbob    Posted 02-05-2003 at 09:31:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
I will not send a message of 'how to fix it'. I read the books 'Venus & Mars', 'What your Mother never Told You'......etc, etc, etc.
Being a man, I just blow it all off in these situations- easy for men to do in most cases. Perhaps your son will get an understanding in the future on who is & is not in charge. Mabby he will get a peek into what women are about as well- sensitive, loving creatures. If it was not for the wonderful understanding & care, plus a million other things women have to offer, this planet would be a sorry, sorry place. God bless you, you sound wonderful to me in everyway! Jimbob

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:49:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks cowgirl, it's a trip isn't it? My mom wished three kids on me just like I was growing up and what I got was one kid who is three times worse than I was. I'm sure she's grinning from ear to ear about it too from up there ^.

cowgirlj    Posted 02-05-2003 at 13:52:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yup, but the blessing to that is, someday, he will have a kid juuuusst like him too! And that my friend, is when life suddenly turns sweet!

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 14:40:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I cannot wait. I say this on a daily basis.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:53:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow Jimbob, that's more nice things said about women in one post than I have ever seen I think I'll save that one just to look at on occasion, or better yet, maybe I'll let Jake read it!

Jimbob    Posted 02-05-2003 at 15:08:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Give it to Jake. Tell him where I come from, it is 'Yes Mam', 'No Mam' when a womens voice gets stern sounding. One thing a man & young men should never do is disrespect their mother or anyones mother. The men on this site know that.

kathy in illinois    Posted 02-05-2003 at 08:01:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's happened to all of us. The important thing to remember is that we must help our children to understand that everyone can fly off the handle, and when it does happen, especially to our loved ones, we need to try to be them thru it. The time will come when you can discuss the events with him. Because he knows you love him, he will understand that for reasons beyond his control, you lost control...bad day, traffic, money, love...what ever the reason, your state of mind was not what it should have been, and things spirialed out of control. And you understand that your son loves you...even when he says you never let him do anything, you're mean, you don't care about what I want, etc. As parents we need to apoligize when appropriate, and help our children understand why sometimes an apoligy is not appropriate. From these things, they will learn how to apologize to their own children when they fly off the handle, and how to handle rough times in personal relationships. And above all, remember you love him and he loves you...all the other crap (pardon my french) can be tossed out with the trash.

Kathy in Illinois

Dave    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:36:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I enjoyed reading your story. We all go thru times like that. Most of us try to "rise above" that sort of thing, but it still happens anyway, from time to time. I don't know about you, but I always feel like such a heel matter who was right or wrong. The important thing to remember is, that was then, this is now...water under the bridge, let it go.
Is this the same kid that fixed the rabbit for breakfast? Your son sounds like a good kid, Church is a good thing. I'm glad our kids enjoy our church, we are lucky to have a good Church and good kids. We go out of our way to help our kids to be involved in the youth group and go on youth "retreats" (they went to super WOW last year). You never know you might be raising the next Billy Graham, that wouldn't be so bad...

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 12:51:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
He's one of those kids, Kathy, that is 23 on and 1 off, in other words, he's testing the limits almost every hour of every day. He knows I love him. We wrestle around the living room for fun and hem lets me win sometimes so he can't be all bad. Thanks for your thoughts. They were well received I'm sure by all.

Gary, Mt. Hermon, La.    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:14:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just MHO but if I had a 13 year old son I'd be happy he wanted to be involved in some kind of church sponsored activity and would have gone out of my way to see him there. He could be doing a lot worse and you'd never know it. But one must do as one sees fit to do.... and I wish you good fortune with this one, he seems outspoken and independant. Sort of reminds me of my second daughter.

Dan    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:36:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gary, I am inclined to agree,like Cindi,our 13yr. old is home schooled and she can hardly wait to go Monday nights to the Church youth activities. Its well understood that we take her, at 13 they could be doing so many other things less desireable and so much more displeasing. The hr.and 1/2 that they are at Church,they have Bible Study,games,and some verse learning, compared to some of the aimless youth wandering around in our small town after dark looking for trouble and rebelion I choose the former. Just my 2 cents.

Maggie/TX    Posted 02-05-2003 at 09:40:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi, I agree with these last two posts. Now I have flown off the handle at my kids at least as bad as you did MANY times, but I had to push my son to get involved with churchy activities, as I know it was good for him. I think I would not use the church thing to punish him, I would take away his video game or something like that instead. Just my humble opinion. :)

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:18:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, if he went to church to get closer to God I would agree with you, but it was actually youth group, where he plays football and eats. I guess I should have mentioned that. Jake is hoemschooled and has few 'social' oportunities, that's why he was so anxious to go. As much as he needs this interaction, he also needs to learn how to deal with dissapointment. True?

Gary, Mt. Hermon, La    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:28:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
True? yea, but don't you know life will hand him more than his share of disappointments, most of which will occur away from home. Realistically the more social activities he gets involved in the more disappointments he will face. I ain't trying to tell you how to raise your children just trying to add a little different view point.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:38:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I understand. No offense taken. Jake is a handful and has a long way to go. All info is good info. Not too long ago he went to church youth group and got in a fight. MILESTONE! It wasn't him that started it. In fact it was broken up before he had a chance to get even for a shiner. The kid sucker punched him. All he talks now is revenge, so I still haven't let him go back when I know this other kid os going to be there. I have been lecturing him on the virtues of being the bigger man.

Ludwig    Posted 02-05-2003 at 07:28:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
He'll learn about revenge when he tries the same trick and gets belly beat for it.
We called it belly beating when I was in school, it was better because shiners were obvious and dumb suburban mothers would think nothing of "a stomach ache."

Yes I did my share of fighting when I was a youth. I was in church group once for 2 meetings, more sex, drugs, and fighting there than any of the other groups I was in. I thought it quite hypocritical.

We all have those sort of times. The worst of it is that later you see that if you could break out at one point in the cycle, say just before you got bopped on the head, you'd have been okay. Like if you'd taken the time right after getting locked out to have the breakdown and get it overwith. Instead, like a normal person (how often do you get called normal?) you thundered ahead, just like I would have done, making things worse for yourself. I think locking the boy out was probably the best medicine, and that some punishment is in order. Just make danged sure he knows its punishment, and why and that you still love him anyway.

It was the day I graduated from highschool that my parents started getting smarter again.

Salmoneye    Posted 02-05-2003 at 05:50:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I feel for you...But...

I loved your tale!...You told it in a way that anyone can feel exactly what you were feeling...We have all been there a time or three...

My wife likes to tell the story of the time her Mother chased her with a hoe across the front meadow...Right along the busiest road in the county...

As my Gram used to say...This too shall pass...

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 07:42:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Luckily we live in a community where kids fighting is fairly acceptable and considered normal. Jake is a big kid and is constantly being challenged to find out if he is all size and no substance. He has never been challenged by the same kid twice as he does not lack in fighting prowess. Either in willingness or in technique. That can be a good thing and a bad thing. Most of the kids he's fought are now his friends.

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:20:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Course I felt like an idiot the next day. I think my pressure valve blew.

sHan    Posted 02-05-2003 at 05:44:08       [Reply]  [No Email]

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:21:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
You WILL feed those twins or I'll have social services after your behind.

sHan    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:22:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
it took ya long enough to ansure i was watching ya go down the post and reply i was just waiting

Cindi    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:27:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Shan what are you supposed to be DOING? I'm having trouble with myself this morning, diarhea of the mouth.... CAN'T SHUT UPPP!

sHan    Posted 02-05-2003 at 06:32:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
whats new then he he he-----im doing whatever i want to do thats my job...that and iratate other people....:)

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