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Slaughterhouse practices
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Dreamweaver    Posted 07-10-2001 at 16:25:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know squat about slaughterhouse practices, but I just got through reading a fictional book that described the process of slaughtering cows, and it made me sick. If what I read is true, isn't there a more humane way of doing it?


Redbelly1    Posted 07-13-2001 at 04:09:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW,

I dont know what you read, but from what I remember, it's about as humane as possible, considering your killing something.

The ones I saw years ago used what they called a "bang stick". It's loaded with what looked like a 12 gauge shotgun shell. They'd walk up to the cow, hit her between the eyes, the shell would go off, and the cow would fall dead as a hammer. It was over with before you knew it.

When I die , I hope it's over with that quick.


Johnny    Posted 07-11-2001 at 20:36:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
There really is not any humane way of killing anything! There just ain't not clean way of doing it. You got to remember that a slaughterhouse is a business and in business to make money, they get it done the cheapest and fastest way they can. You ought to see the chicken processing plants around here!


Nathan(GA)    Posted 07-12-2001 at 11:25:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
A guy I know did some maitanence work in a chicken factory. He said he would NEVER eat chicken again.


Norman    Posted 07-12-2001 at 11:52:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Beef verses chicken, Did you ever see a cow following a chicken around waiting dinner? Can't you just visualize the first time a man ate a dead chicken? Coarse the poor cave man had to eat everything to live. One day he had company from way up town. He happened to be serving dead chicked for dinner. Mr. and Mrs. Up Town wouldn't eat it till the old cave man told them it tasted just like lizard. Later
Norman


Alvin NE WI    Posted 07-11-2001 at 20:34:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW-- I hope you do not believe everything that is written in some books. You have to consider the sourse also. there is one thing you and everybody has to remember--when your hamburger is cooked or fryed to 160 degress, and your burger is not red on the inside it WILL kill the e-coli's in the meat..When people want to eat raw dog -beware, cause of the stuff that goes in the hamburger and the grinding. What you raise at home is a lot different than the burger you buy at a supermarket. Some of that very well can come from where ever, like imported.. I know when you eat in a public place you have no control of the handling behind the wall, in some cases the people can not read or under stand ENGLISH..
I belong to PETA so I am of that group--- PEOPLE ENJOY TASTY ANIMALS !!


Norman    Posted 07-11-2001 at 18:05:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dreamweaver, Haveing owned (17 years) and did most of the work myself, from the slaughter end to the cutting, cureing and even cooking it, I can tell you that some of these people are ill informed. We had a USDA inspected plant. The inspector was right there watching for inhumane practices. But let's face it. To eat an animal you should kill it first. We have a stun gun that we severed the spinal cord just behind the head. No, the animal does't die imediately. Not untill the blood is drained. It is in a state that it feels nothing and would die in about five or ten minutes. Eating meat is a God sanctioned activity that a whole lot of people injoy. I can butcher a beef today and go home tonight and enjoy a big ol' porterhouse cooked rare. Yuum Yuum. Later
Norman


Billy Joe    Posted 07-11-2001 at 17:26:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like every one missed your point. Want to get really sick read the current best seller Fast Food Nation. You will stop eating at all the quicky reataurants.
Meat cannot be processed in the current conveyor belt fashion and have it done humanely. Quite often animals are dismembered and skinned while still alive and conscious. This horrible barbarism occurs every dday and is being fought by groups such as The Humane Farming Association. If you respect life in the least, you will stop eating meat or at the least make sure it comes from humanely raised and slaughtered animals. I believe that lack of respect for life which is being taught through the use of factory farms and slaughter houses will come back to haunt us all unless we demand and get change- ie-mad cow,antibiotic resistant bacteria, hoof and mouth etc etc.
For information on what can be done to help search for the Humane Farming Association on the web- they have a site though I dont have the address handy.


Spence    Posted 07-13-2001 at 11:01:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bill,

One of the reasons man as made it through the ice age was because he ate meat and the way our digestive tract is made attests to that. It's the same as a pig's in fact, omnivorous, made for meat and vegetables. Prior to the ice age, man or more correctly pre-man, roamed in small groups scavenging and hunting animals.

On a biblical slant, and I'm no expert, there's a passage where a prophet has a dream where animals are falling from the sky. When he asks for an explaination, he is told by God that he may eat the animals of the earth.

I'm for clean slaughter where an animal is
in a surrounding like a homestead where he's
content and the last thing he sees is the sun,sky, rolling pasture and the last meal in front of him.

Slaughter houses are for the convenience and interests(business and volume) of people.


Bee Ranch    Posted 07-15-2001 at 21:54:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]

When quoting scripture you should give chapter and verse. This statement you made cant not be found in the King James Version.

Check out your source.One wouldnt want to be accused of bearing false witness.



Billy Joe    Posted 07-11-2001 at 17:31:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
HFA address is below


TomH    Posted 07-11-2001 at 16:24:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If the process they described was kosher slaughtering, yes it really is done that way. Seems like a job O.J. would be good at.


Dreamweaver    Posted 07-11-2001 at 19:23:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ok everybody, here's what disturbed me so bad. They said that these cows are herded into the chute at an astounding rate of speed. They cows enter the slaughter house and immediate can smell "death" around them, so they start having diarrhea on themselves and some even vomit. They are shot through the head (you many mentioned) with what was described as a power gun (except they mentioned it drove some kind of screw or rivit in them). Then, the animals were upended and hooked by their feet with head hanging down (now they are still alive). Then, they go to the kill room where their throats are slit with a machete. They bleed to death, then continue on the conveyor until they skinned and gutted and split, head severed which is hooked and goes to the deboning room. They said in the deboning room, the cheek muscle is removed from the head which is used mainly for hamburger (gross). They said they have a high pressure machine that literally removes ALL that can be removed from the bones of these cows, which becomes somewhat of a "slurry" which might even contain the spinal cord at times, and all this goes into the hamburger combo bins. Of course, this book had a fictional story about corrupt practices of the beef industry, so I won't get into that. But the jist of it was, the beef are slaughtered and moved at such an alarming rate of speed, that it is literally impossible to insure that all the cows are properly inspected. The deadly form of E. coli (there are many strains) that kills comes from meat that has been contaminated with feces from an infected cow. If the meat is not properly cooked, it does not kill the bacteria. The USDA does a great job of overseeing the slaughter houses and meat processing plants, but it makes me wonder if something slips through sometimes. I mean they can't possibly inspect each and every kill. Okay, now comments please.........BTW - I'm not condeming the beef industry or our cattle farmers here. Just wondering about whether or not there could be a more humane way of butchering these animals. I eat beef myself, but I am thinking twice about hamburger, heehee......


OW - real deal    Posted 07-12-2001 at 06:58:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
My uncle worked in a Swift plant about 30 years ago, and they processed i think 80 beef an hour.
It was a pretty humane setup -- the steers were herded down a chute (prodded if necessary), they were shot in the forehead with an air-driven 1/4-inch retractable pin. (Normally once but sometimes 6 or 8 times if they were thrashing around.) Usually they were just as dead then as a shot person would be.
Then the floor dropped away and they slid down on a bloody floor to get their jugulars cut and be hung by the hind legs to bleed.
Of course, they probably have speeded things up some. It was as clean a kill, on average, as a farm kill. and way cleaner than war or hunting.
Chickens are just decapitated by the dozen.

Old Warrior


Hogman    Posted 07-11-2001 at 19:54:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW it's true a slaughter house is not a pretty sight. As to the smell of death,yep it's there as the first one to die warns all others and it continues. I have killed a lot of hogs and hate to say it but have messed up a few times doing it. My way was a 38 through the back of the skull. Done right it is instant.
One reason home raised meat is better it didnot go through a kill line unless taken to a large slaughter house.
RE hamburgers A LA Mc whoever,look at the so called "hamburger",white beef? I thought We called it "red meat!!!!!!! Where You do'nt want to go is a kosher kill floor,You realy will upchuck......Chicken ,cow or muskrat!!!!



Dreamweaver    Posted 07-11-2001 at 20:10:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pa Burr - what is a kosher kill floor (something tells me I'm gonna hate I asked!)


Dreamweaver    Posted 07-11-2001 at 20:13:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Please forgive, I mean Hogman, sir, heehee.....


Hogman    Posted 07-14-2001 at 00:02:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey DW ole Burr ain't so bad as ta have Ya feel bad miscuein like that.
Kosher is done by a rabbi and the animal,fowl or I suppose Norms lizard is bled to death after being blest sorta I guess. So a stun gun or what ever is still a lot more humane and to the best of My knowledge used in a at least somewhat cleaner setting.
Now I can expect all sorts of flak from the Jewish comunity. Bye tha Bye Norman how does that lizard taste?


Spence    Posted 07-11-2001 at 12:13:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Years back I rented a farmhouse from a farmer
and he had the farmbuildings out back. He did his
fall butchering in the farmyard. Hot water,knives the whole bit. He and a neighbour did 2 cows and 3
pigs that same day. Without going to too much detail, to me the cows seemed to sense what was up and we had a heck of a time to get the second to the front of the yard even though we were calm and didn't make fast moves.
For that reason I suggest that the animals
should be dropped quickly where they are if possible, and the setup should be done calmly and quietly with little fuss.
Probably no easy answer for this nasty job.


LazyHorse    Posted 07-10-2001 at 22:01:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
DW I don't know what method they described in your book. I've seen it done with electric shock guns, and the old time tested method of a shot to thehead. But till you actually butcher one yourself you have no idea how messy a process it is. I've butchered hogs, deer and lots of small game. This fall I intend to butcher our own cow. The reason I like to do it myself is to be sure how the meat is handled, and especially to make sure I am actually getting the animal I took in. Several unsrcrupulous processors will give customers back less meat than they should, and you never know if you get back the critter you took in.


Burrhead    Posted 07-11-2001 at 15:54:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I carried a white bar in and had him slaughtered a few years back. When we started to use the fat back it had red hair on it.


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