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Sure is getting Hot in Korea again?!
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Willy-N    Posted 02-06-2003 at 22:31:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Boy it don't look good what Korea is doing? Will this war with them ever end? Mark H.


george    Posted 04-18-2004 at 16:14:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Is Korean an endangered language? If so, I will post more info on this language and Korean national minority perspectives on my http://www.geocities.com/prosvieta site for other people education?

Sincerely, George


Willy-N All Good Replys!    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:35:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
When I was in Vietnam I tried to learn about the people. I got to know the Montagnard Tribesmen they were a group of simple land loving people who lived a very primitive life style and you could trust them. I used to help the kids all the time if I could. Met the Cheif of the Village and ate with him in his raised hut. They did not want war as far as I could see. The Vietnamese Farmers were another hard working group of people trying to raise food. The small Villages in remote locations were pretty much freindly and did not want the war either. But when I went into the bigger citys and the rear area it was different. Then I was more scared of the people. They were gangs and groups who were out to get you anyway they could. You would not walk down a alley by yourself not armed. You could see them looking out of the shadows watching your every move. They would rip you off in a minuite if they could. Sorta like our big citys in the bad areas and why today I feel better in the country. So maybe the Farmers should run the country they seemed peacefull and just wanted to raise food and live a simple life. It seems when there are a few very rich people who require the masses to pervide them with gold to play with the majority suffers for there gains and life style. I do not understand why so many people have to die because of a leader who is insane?? I do beleive we could eliminate the leaders who are this way. But there are allways gready useless people to replace them as soon as they are gone. This is the way it allways has been throug out the years. Have and have nots wanting more and taking it from others. He with the biggest gun wins?? It is a shame the innocent seem to be the ones who suffer the most in war. Untill we figure a way to destroy bad leaders instead of masses of people this will never end. Instead of Heat Seaking Missiles we should make Bad Leader Seaking Missiles, boy that would keep them in check! But till then Evil Leaders will continue to rule these countrys with torture and killing to keep their lifestyle going. These Madmen should be destroyed they are sick and should never lead a country and cause so much pain to others. But since the leaders make the rules and there underdogs who want their peice of the pie and own the guns, it won't happen and we will allways have wars! I just hope we allways have the biggest gun and I will keep mind just in case we don't, so my family dose not have the same fate of the sheep that are under the control of these evil people. This way I can die fighting to protect my way of life and not be taken prisoner for there pleasure. Mark H.


kraig WY I thank we are failing to see the big picture here    Posted 02-07-2003 at 08:40:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
The reason we are hated through out the world is not because we try to help (or but in as some say) other country. Its because this country is so much more prosperious then others. Why is that, not because we're lucky, its because of the freedom our constitution, and I believe, faith in God. Capitilism with freedom breeds success. There arn't any democratic arab countries, so even with their oil riches they are poor countries. Look at North Korea. They're starving. The N. Koreans look south and see a successful capitilist country who's people are eating, so they hate them too. Communism don't work. They have to go on a war footing to keep from self distructing. That's why N. Korea is rattling sabers. A simple embargo will cause them to self destruct. That's the differance between them and Iraq. Sadam wants to go down in history as the guy who destroyed Iseral and has been stopped. The Jews and Arabs have been fighting since the days of Abraham and will continue until the Second Comming. We need (and are told to) to pray for Iseral and geve her what ever support necessary to protect her.


bob ny    Posted 02-07-2003 at 06:55:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
mark i left 18 months of my life there and iwouldn't go back nor agree to sending any of our grand or great grand children there either
i'm sorry but there are enough people in this country that need our help rather then spend the money destroying anothercountry and then spending the money to rebuild it take care of our own first my mother is 92 years old and she sent 2 children to wars ask her what she thinks about it also ask her how much the guberment has nelped her when she needed help
sorry bout the soap box seems every time i post on here i cause trouble i guess i just better go back to reading only


Pigster    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:07:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Just so you don't think you are alone or the only one brave enough to speak. My dad is 86 and failing and part of the process is his dealing with the memories from WW2, survivor's guilt, and explaining and comprehending the unimaginable. There were always stories over the years but of late they have turned into the first few minutes of "Saving Private Ryan"(he went in D-day plus 2-3 days and the battle of the bulge and others).

I had always figured that tradition would get me to Vietnam and never quite understood his insistance on the student deferment plan. I am beginning to understand(he always says I'll be smart if I live long enough) - my patriotic country serving father is a true came-to-believe pacifist.

I would have liked to have known my father but I have only the person who came back from the war to love. And he is a great and loved person. I am blessed with the father that he is - many families have lost loved ones by the complete change of their loved one, perhaps one of wars cruelest ironies - living and there but in reality gone.

I won't get into the yes/no discussion of the present situation but I feel that as we sit here in the safe countryside behind a massive military might we simply don't have the complete understanding of what's involved to make a balanced choice.

Whether or not we support the proposed action do any of us comprehend the horrible human cost involved? Everyday we make decisions around the homestead as to what we need and what we can afford and these can be some pretty tough choices. Can we afford to follow the path we seem to be on?



Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:40:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Can we afford not to be on this path?

What is the cost farther down the road?

"Two roads diverged in a wood
And I took the one less traveled by
And that has made all the difference"


Robert Frost


the pink panther...korea is a bigger threat    Posted 02-07-2003 at 03:49:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
than iraq.what they said about a pre-emptive strike should be taken as warning. a very SERIOUS warning.they should be dealt with AT ONCE!to let them threaten attack, without some counter measure will be a mistake. i am not sure i have an answer, but something must be done. i hope the united states can come up with something quick or we will be at war with korea soon.korea has been a rouge nation for a lot of years,and must be dealt with as such.deal with them now or deal with them later. sorry for the aggresive post, but the folks worry me.........PP


Willy-N    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:20:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Some of these guys are starting to get in the back door of our homes. Remember 911 it will happen again. I prefer it to be over there instead of here. Glad I live where there is not much to make head lines with except our Grand Coulee Dam that would sure make a mess of things if they took that out. Mark H.


Greg VT    Posted 02-07-2003 at 06:46:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Is it just coincidence that NK picked now to step up thier chest thumping? Probably not.

A retired Admiral, Warren Hamm, lives in my area. He has extensive service in the area of the Korean Peninsula. Just last week he gave a sobering interview to the local paper. He also views the NK situation as far more of a threat then Iraq. One major differance he pointed out is that the Iraqi general populous may not like America or her citizens but it doesn't even come close to the HATE for America that is drilled into every NK citizen from the time they are born. They are trained to hate and filled with a desire to destroy America. It's not a radical fringe group that holds this belief but the majority of the population.

At least that's what I read in the paper...


Greg    Posted 02-07-2003 at 03:45:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is that what we are seeing.? Nawww. China could have sent off a few Nukes years ago.

Seems to me like any country who goes thru a normal activity of beefing up their military could be seen as posing a threat. I see it as posing a
deterent.

The way it works is the same for individuals,
you want to defend yourself by carrying the best weapon there is. If the guy next door is carrying
a stick, then you want to own a baseball bat.
Poland ignored that in WW2 putting all investments in other than military, big mistake. Horses don't have that thick an armor.

The sad truth is the best weapon that any nation could have today is the N bomb. So that's the legacy. Every nation will try to one-up the next, history proves that beefing up is the best deterent for defence. Once having it, it's in the best interest of that country to persuade the next guy he doesn't need it.

This is why I feel expecting Iraq to disarm is
unrealistic. Regardless of how we feel about him,
it's in his best interest has a leader to protect his country, which indirectly helps us as well as the result is peace, even if it's effect causes a stalemate similar to the India and Pakistan situation.

A nation that sets itself up as policeman to the world cannot hold to a double standard. Doing so will not persuade the world of it's intent. The way I see it is, by it's current policy, the US should also have right now the same number of observers in North Korea. It doesn't because the standards it holds to have been shunted aside out of fear. Everyone knows the observers would be shot on the tarmak as they got off the plane. NK has a brother with a baseball bat, so much for the noble standard.

I don't see anything new going on, just the same old fence building and beefing that has been going on thru history.

9/11 was the result of years of meddling and manipulation to try to alter political positions of other nations. We can't do that anymore. Time to bring in the forces and mind our own business.
We become simply merchants. We let them fight their own battles and we deal with the winner when the dust clears. Time to take a low key position
and bring in the guys so that they can start homesteads and actually live to see their grandkids. Let some other nation become the whipping boy for the world's problems. I'm not saying beating swords into plowshares, but simply to remain alert,neutral and the best defended nation on this planet.

My 2 cents.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 04:02:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No one has asked Iraq to 'disarm'...Saddam has been 'told' by the UN to prove that he has abided by his agreements with them to dismantle and detroy his 'Weapons Of Mass Destruction' and limit his military to 'conventional' defensive weapons only...This includes all Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Programs...This also includes the further developement of long range missile technology...

Guess who sells Saddam missiles...North Korea...Guess who gives North Korea the technology to build the missiles...China...Guess who gave China the technology to increase the targeting distance of their missiles...

Oh...Never mind...You wouldn't believe me...


Greg    Posted 02-07-2003 at 05:56:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
"dismantle and detroy his 'Weapons Of Mass Destruction' and limit his military to conventional'"

So it's OK for Iran,Pakistan,Syria and all the nations surrounding it to have these weapons? Unrealistic. I wouldn't want to see all the men woman and children in Iraq destroyed. Same logic would apply if just before WW2 we forbade Poland to modernize.

"Guess who sells Saddam missiles...North Korea...Guess who gives North Korea the technology to build the missiles...China...Guess who gave China the technology to increase the targeting distance of their missiles...".

We gave weapons to the Afghans remember? What do we get in return, they won against the Russions with our help and what are we to them now.? We are damned in the eyes of God as a decadent nation they say.

We give even today money to Isreal, upwards of 40 billion a year in aid, (300 million goes to Palestine!!!????). Days after 9/11 Israel complained to the US about money, when it would have been politically correct to talk about the losses and be in mourning as any friend should.

We helped Kuwait remember (here we had our boys put their lives on the line)? After 9/11 they could have made a token gesture to rebuild the towers, but they stayed silent. That's pocket change to them and wouldn't have dented their finances a bit.

Perhaps we should review who our friends really are. I wonder if the enemy we all see is worse than the one who pats you on the back and calls you "friend".

I believe what you say. But you have to encompass the whole picture, not only what you want to see. At least Sadam is predictable. You still don't answer why we aren't in Korea now. Moral standards takes a back seat to self preservation I presume.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:45:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"You still don't answer why we aren't in Korea now."

We ARE in Korea...and have been on a continual basis since the early 1950's...

The UN is 'technically' still in a state of 'war' with North Korea, as there was no surrender...

Kim Jong II is a megalomaniac...Granted...He is dangerous...He MAY have up to 2 nuclear warheads already and a delivery system...He may not...The US has enough 'tactical theatre wepons' in one crate of Howitzer shells to completely end any 'war' that takes place...

North Korea is a 'known' threat...we have lived with it for 50 years...Saddam is a 'rogue' element...If you believe that the Iraqis are not taught hate, you are wrong...They are taught hate of Israel and the US from day 1...

This upcoming war with Iraq should never have been necessary...Put the blame where it belongs...
The UN...It was their 'resolutions' that we carried out in the Gulf War...And it was Their resolutions that stopped us from toppling Saddam at that time...

IMHO...The US should resign from the UN and boot their butts off the continent...

Korean Armistice Agreement



Hey Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:09:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You do know that the Greg you replied to here and the Greg VT who posted above are two different people, right?

I only ask because in this post you refer to the Iraqi people being taught hate of America from day one which is a reference to my comment in my post above.

Heck, I get in enough trouble for my own comments I can't be taking the heat for others and I'm sure Greg feels the same way. ;>)

I'm sure there is no shortage of anti-American propoganda being shoved down the Iraqi peoples throats but it seems like the North Koreans seem to be able to swallow it a little easier.

We'll find out soon enough...

But what the heck do I know. I get all my info from the newspaper and the television.

Greg VT


Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:36:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Knew that...I am one of the few that actually looks at the IP addys Kim keeps in the posts...

In fact...I took my time with that last post...Kept deleting all the lies LOL...Had not read your post till after I replied to 'Just Greg' above...

Must be something in this VT water... ;-)

You really read that Gannett owned 'Free-Press'?


Greg VT    Posted 02-07-2003 at 12:22:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, I do have the Sunday paper delivered. I figure I've got to somehow keep tabs on those Progressive/Socialists who are trying to steal our state right out from under us. I used to get every issue but a few years ago when they crucified the women in...Montgomery I think it was... who lost her children in a fire while she was out I canceled the whole thing. About three months ago the wife bought the telephone sales pitch and subscribed to the Sunday edition for the coupons. I get the last laugh as I use it for either cleaning fish or starting the fire.

Also get the locally owned St. Albans Daily Messenger whose editor I find myself agreeing with more often then not.

Then of course there's the WCAX Evening comedy er I mean News...


Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 12:34:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have not gotten channels 3 or 22 since the day the WIZN tower went up...don't miss them either...I don't watch TV news anyway...well...Sometimes (not often) I do watch BBC world news on PBS...

I do rather like French Canadian news...I find it way more informative to catch only half of what they are saying...

;-)


Willy-N    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:03:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your right and that was my question when will it end? It has been going on for a long time just building up and up. Should have finised it a long time ago, along with Sadam there not needed in this world. Instead we wait till they are armed to the hilt then try to talk about it? To bad it only takes one Nuke to make a big mess of things! A bullet comes to the end of it flight in a arch and just lands on the ground unless it hits something. It dose not matter with a Nuke it can do its job in the air or on the ground and a long time after words too. Mark H.


Ron/PA    Posted 02-07-2003 at 07:37:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
at least sadam is predictable ??? I'll need that one explained to me?

Moral standards takes a back seat to self preservation I presume. I don't even want that one explained to me,,,

I'm a little confused on your train of thought, I'm not sure if you think we should give sadam nuclear capabilities,, or just bomb everybody, where do we start and where do we end?
Ron


Maggie/TX    Posted 02-07-2003 at 05:45:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep, and guess who gave China "Most favored country status" on trade. Anybody tried to buy a pair of shoes lately that aren't made in China? Or most anything else, for that matter. So, when we buy products made in China, who are we helping? Hmmm....


Cindi    Posted 02-07-2003 at 03:56:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very well put Greg. You allayed some of my fears. We need to remember that the media lives to sell papers and make ratings and to take it all with a grain of salt. The situation is not good, granted, but the best we can do is stay informed and hope for the best.


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