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the pink panther    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:36:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
we were talking to the japanese as they were planning the attack.north korea has threatend a pre-emptive strike on the U.S.A. i am sure the U.S.A. does not want a two front war,but we must see what N.K. is telling us. they are a threat to us and must be dealt with. i am not a vet. but my son is going to the marine's this year, so i have a reason to be concerned. i am proud he wants to serve!we must understand what N.K. is saying and deal with it.i am not trying to stir the pot, i just want people to realize, to understand what these wild card nations are going to cause........i hope i did'nt offend anyone....PP


Greg    Posted 02-09-2003 at 04:07:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
A threat relative to what time frame.?

Just a few thoughts.

NK as always been unfriendly as long as I remember. It could have encouraged it's bigger brother China to nuke us years ago, besides it's economy has picked up many new markets for overseas sales. Just doesn't make sense.

I wonder if ending a presidency with a few notches on the handle of his Colt as more to do with what's going on evidence the pattern of the past presidents. Ever wonder why each decade there is a war somewhere that we have to stick our nose into?

Another possible is that with a huge standing army and a few hundred thousand men sitting around with nothing to do, the brass can very easily convince the pres to "find" some reason
to use them. The nature of very large standing armies is that they have to be justified. Peaceful times sadly are not good for the military.

You may want to ask the military why they don't have inspectors first like in Iraq. I don't know if you have military background but young men
of 18-19 are looking for adventure and are easily persuaded to fight. They need parents to reason out and study all the facts. Other than an out and out invasion of our country I would dissuade my son to go over there.

Anyway, my stance is that we can find other methods to find peace than thru the military, besides the world no longer appreciates what we do. Time to let them take what's coming so we can say "I told you so".



Tom A    Posted 02-09-2003 at 09:18:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I can't stand quiet any longer reading this kind of nonsense.

You are clearly very unfamiliar with the military, and haven't really studied international relations very seriously either.

While you are right that many 18-19 years olds are looking for adventure, the decision-making in the military is *not* made by these guys. Being a retired career officer, I am friends and family with lots of career military folks, and not a single one wants a war--NONE, EVER. Most would like to be home nights and weekends with family and friends.

However, the best way to avoid a war is to be prepared for it, and so when they are not actually deployed away from home, military folks are working long hours getting ready to deploy or returning from a deployment. Despite what some folks would have us believe, we don't have a "large standing Army" any more: we downsized the military significantly during the mid-'90s, and now these folks are over-committed spending more time away than home than ever before in history.

Iraq is a threat to vital U.S. interests, period. I don't know (and neither does anybody on this board) whether or not open hostilities will be required to disarm Iraq. But several things are clear: the inspectors now in Iraq would not be there today if the US hadn't taken the lead with a credible threat of opening hostilities; the little cooperation now being shown by Iraq is *only* being shown because they fear our credible military force; the President and his advisors have lots more information either than we do, or than they are sharing with the world (can discuss those reasons, if you'd care to).

We elect our political leaders to make decisions for us based on the newest and best information they have. Lots of information goes into these decisions: risks, benefits, unknowns, political, geopolitical. Despite what you obviously think, these are not "fly by the seat of the pants" decisons for *any* President.

Now, without all the information available to senior decision makers, I'll speculate that North Korea probably already has several atomic weapons and an ability to deliver them on close-in targets, and they are certainly not "rational actors," if you've ever studied mutual assured destruction theory. So we must be concerned that they will begin to throw their couple of nukes around without much provocation. This is a major limiting factor to what actions, diplomatic or otherwise, can be taken.

The same, or greater, risk would be there if Sadam H. had nukes. He has already used WMD against others, both inside and outside Iraq. We cannot allow this one to develop a real threat, and must take whatever precautions are necessary to do so.

We are the UN's "big stick" so that they can continue to speak softly. We actively threaten and prepare for war, while we and the UN tries as hard as possible diplomatically to get some rational actors into the Iraq government. But if the diplomatic efforts fail, to do anything less than take Hussein and his henchman out by force would be a major mistake that we will all (the entire world) live to regret in the future.

Tom A


Willy-N Destroy the leaders not the people!    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:48:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why should our lives be less important then these bad leaders? Why don't we just bomb the bad leaders and solve the problem. They are the ones who want war lets give it to them and bomb their home instead. Put them on the front lines not our children! Lot less peole would die in the process. Never could figure that one out. The leaders must have made that a rule in War so they would not be hurt till they lost the War and went to trial? Mark H.


Clayton    Posted 02-07-2003 at 14:20:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You are all making your opinions based on what you are fed by the newspaper and television in this country.It is being controlled by our government and by doing this they are controlling your thinking.There are conflicts and wars going on right now that you will never hear about.Try watching and listening to the BBC.You will be amazed at what you are missing.We have a whole lot of cleaning up to do in this country before we should try telling other people how to live.Suddam or North Korea do not have the capabilities to reach us and hurt or kill us.The dope dealer down the street can kill us.If the aids virus goes airborne it will kill us.Crime and random shootings here in the USA will kill us.If we don"t do something about the global warming that is mostly caused by our country it will kill everyone in the world.Most of the world thinks that we are a bigger threat to them than Suddam or North Korea and they are right!We are being made to believe that we do nothing wrong and anything that happens to us is some other country"s fault.This is the same garbage that Hitler fed his country before WW2 We are not the master race and no one country can rule the world.There are too many different religions,customs,traditions, and beliefs for one country to try to rule the world.


Burrhead    Posted 02-07-2003 at 21:03:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
what's a television??



Ron/PA Well I'm gonna do it again!!!    Posted 02-07-2003 at 17:05:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just can't stand by and say nothing, so I'll break my own self imposed rule re: Don't discuss God, Politics, or someone else's kids.
First and most important, If no one has the capabilities to reach us, would you PLEASE explain 9-11-01????? If some two bit hood with a few billion dollars can do that why can't those two NATIONS?
Crime and random shootings? Perhaps "NEW BREED" of judges that we have in this country are more to blame for this than anything else. It seems that they would rather take the weapons from law abiding citizens, than keep criminals in prison for thier crimes.
As far as ruling the world, I don't want to belong to a master race, nor rule the world. I don't believe we are the major polluter of the world, I am more than willing to have US back out as the world power, but then we should refrain from feeding the world at my expense.
Finally the BBC?? PULEEZZE!!! It is a government owned and controlled broadcast. Look in the dictionary under facism and you will see,
BBC and NPR, How is it that the rest of us folks "is too igerent to unnerstand this stuff?" But you, the BBC and your like are so enlightened??
I'm gettin off my soapbox for now
Ron




Fawteen - You have NO IDEA    Posted 02-07-2003 at 15:16:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
What it's costing me to keep my mouth shut. I would REALLY love to go off on a nice, therapeutic, purgative, foul-mouthed rant complete with personal attacks, references to non-existent sources to support my point of view and bogus statistics, but I won't. I'll limit myself to one statement of my own humble opinions, with which you are free to disagree.

I do not support the war, and I even agree with one or two of your reasons, but I'm getting almighty tired of all this horse exhaust about a government conspiracy to brainwash us into buying off on this war and siphoning off our rights and creating a fascist state.



Clayton    Posted 02-08-2003 at 06:35:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dear Fawteen,
I was just stating my researched view points.As far as our rights, due to the drug trade in this country any citizen's car or home can now be searched by an anomonyus phone call.I don't want to be sleeping one night and have my door kicked in because someone is playing a prank on me.I may be sleeping and not hear them say police.As far as my view point on global warming,While I was taking a class to pass my HVAC license I asked about the freon scare.The instructor said that more ozone is incinerated every time the space shuttle takes off than freon could ever destroy.In defense of my views on media control,Next time you get near a big city,borrow a scanner and listen to it for one complete night.For the next several days read the local newspaper and watch the local news.You will then know what i"m talking about.There are horrible things being done to people everywhere in this world but you will never hear about them because it is being done on land that has no minerals or oil on it.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:54:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Saddam is a bugger to get to...

This week it was revealed that the last 3 years, Saddam has not been seen in public...His 'Doubles' are the only ones in public...He is very paranoid...

As he should be...


Willy-N    Posted 02-07-2003 at 11:06:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
His day will come one way or another. Just seal the ground above his bunker and let him rot in their thinking about it. A perfect ending to a very evil person. Take his off spring along with him so his genes don't spread too! Mark H.


bob    Posted 02-08-2003 at 07:25:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Willey I am not too smart but have alaways said WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND and in my years I have seen the miserable guy dish it out but later it came back to haunt him ten fold. Sometimes we feel it takes too long but just wait. Only thing I will say is we must not get spread too thin


Cindi    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:40:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not offended, just alarmed again.


the pink panther    Posted 02-07-2003 at 10:47:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
you should be


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