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SERVICE? don't need any thanks- please respond
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Mike D.    Posted 02-09-2003 at 14:42:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
At one time in my life, I thought I had a handle on the meaning of the word "service." The act of doing things for other people. Like cutting wood for your neighbor while he is suffering the flu, or helping 'unstick' a stuck tractor, or tending to a friend's plumbing because you know that most plumbers make more $ than your dentist...

Then I heard the terms Internal Revenue Service, Postal Service, Civil Service, Service Stations, Social Service... And I became confused about the word "service." This is not what I thought "service" meant. Then one day, I overheard two farmers talking and one of them mentioned that he was having a bull service a few of his cows. BAM! It all came into perspective. Now I understand what all those "service" agencies could do to us...

Go figure.

The more I see the more I know, you got to go it alone if you want freedom. Plain & simple.
You let old Uncle Sam on your place ( I.E. program
participation) and it's hard to keep up with all his paperwork. Just my 2 cents worth.




Doris    Posted 02-09-2003 at 19:24:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hey, hey, hey! No sense getting irrate over what Mike D. wrote-- afterall, he was just using some "word comparisons" to make a point!! Mike, I don't know if you're a dairy farmer, like I am, or not, but for many, many months, now, we've been getting paid 1970's prices for our milk and trying to pay Year 2003 bills with that... I wonder if Mr. Postman can say the same? Do I have to wonder? One of the "services" we're providing is "CHEAP MILK/FOOD" for those working and getting paid an actual Year 2003 income. Why do I (or, how can I) continue to do what I'm doing in spite of the "poverty-like" income we receive?-- for sure, we've learned to pay others first, and ourselves last and we can only do that because we've learned how to "service" ourselves quite well and efficiently. Don't anybody go getting their feathers fluffed over what I wrote-- I'm just telling it how it is. Oh, and we have to find our own independant health insurance and that costs us healthy people $650/month. Pension/retirement plan? What is THAT!?!? Anyhow, thanks for your perspective, Mike D.-- you made me smile!!!!!!!


Pitch    Posted 02-09-2003 at 17:01:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am sure that you think that is an extremely funny little piece, but since I am feeling a mite peckish today I will tell you that I take that extremely personaly. I happen to work for the Postal Service and I go out of my way to extend evry possible service to my customers and most of my coworkers do also.
I walk between 5 or 8 miles every day no matter the weather to try to put your mail in an inadequate size box that you are to lazy to put your name or house number on. On the days I have a riding route I constantly climb in and out of the truck (something corporate tells us not to do)because you are to inconsidarate or lazy to clear a path to your box. I decipher chicken scratch hand writing and correct wrong address (something else that they tell us not to do (if the address isn't correct or you can't read it send it back)so that your kids can get their card from grandma If you have a postage due I normally pay it out of my own pocket. I stand outside in the weather while you are looking for a stamp to put on your phone bill. If you have chickens, crickets, worms or some other oddball thing I call you before I go on the route to see what you want done with it. I know where my customers want their oversize packages put ie: garage porch neighbor if you are not home to recieve it (the book says if it won't fit in the box to leave a notice and the customer has to drive in to the post office to pick it up.) If you go away and your box fills up with mail because YOU never bothered to put it on hold I will collect it and hold it at the office till you get back.
Yes I get payed well for the job I do and I enjoy it for the most part. But when dealing with the public they will never remember the thousands of articles that they have sent and recieved without a hitch but screw up just once and you are dirt forever.
Well I am almost done with my rant it is just that I am tired of busting my hump to do a good job for you and the I read things like the above post.


Hey Pitch, why go postal? I don't get it....    Posted 02-09-2003 at 20:09:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Holy Cow Man,
So you walk 5 to 8 miles a day in all kinds of weather, I thought that is what mailmen did, am I missing something? You must be a CITY mailman because out here you wouldn't get much mail delivered at your pace. :^) Besides that I never saw a walking mailman out here any dam way. But I digress, my beef is with the general attitude I've witnessed with program administrators and the like. There is so much contemptable paperwork and follow-up that it can make a fella cross-eyed. I won't go into the worries I have about the FDA, EPA, and others that have an interest in farms today. I recently read an article about a 3rd. generation farmer that got fined over not having a silt fence around new ground he opened. When does it stop?
While I can well figure you wear out your shoe leather toting mail in the city and all, there is still value in the argument I present. Oh, and by the way, you got a good deal going on with the USPS, better stay with it. You'll lose your shirt farming.


Pitch    Posted 02-10-2003 at 02:21:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
To respond to a few points. Yes I am I city carrier I commute thirty miles from my country home to my job and yes mailmen are supposed to walk and that is not what I am complaining about because as I pointed out I do get paid well for what I do.
Postage dues come out of the carriers pocket and then we are supposed to collect from the customer most times I will just pay it my self.
The post office has no business telling you to paint your post or replace your box just cause it is old. As long as it is firmly anchored we don't care what it looks like. Heck some of my customers don't even have doors on theirs.
Like I said if the address is wrong I do attempt
to get it to the right address even tho the book says not to.
I find it hard to believe that my office is unique in the carriers caring about their customers. Out of 60 carriers at my office there are probably ten percent who either don't care or go strictly by the book. The rural carriers are probably the worst that are there because they get paid a flat rate whereas the city guys get eight hours pay for eight hours work the rurals get paid a flat rate for the day, if they can get their route done in three hours they get paid as much as if it took them eight. We have got one gal who probably hasn't made a penny cause she is such a hotrod that she either wrecks or destroys a car every year.
I chose to go into public service early on in life when I joined the marines and then went onto work at an army base and then on to the postal service. I realize that I have got it a whole bunch better than millions of other folks that literally have to kill themselves to eke out an existance.
Just sometimes you get tired of having your vocation slammed at every turn just because it is an easy target.


Mike D.    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:01:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pitch- You sound like a good guy who is trying to do right. As for coming out of pocket to pay someone elses overdue mail, that ain't fair, nor right in my book. We know school teachers that are buying supplies for their classrooms too, not right.

As I mentioned, my beef is with those 'big shots'.


Willy-N    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:50:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I buy supplys for our daughters art class they ran out of money for them so I just buy them things like propane, clay, ceramics glazes, sizors and such. They never run out of money for the FootBall team and one Bust trip out of town would buy a lot of stuff for the class work. Mark H.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-10-2003 at 04:02:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I, for one, am one of the good postal customers :-)

I am told at least once a year by the 3 carriers that alternate on my route...I keep the box level, correct height, and clear in the winter...One of our carriers is a friend that we hang with now and then...The horror stories she tells of the attitudes of some of her 'customers' is enough to make me never want to work for the PO...Which I have thought about in the past...

I have no problem with the rural carriers here...But the Post 'Mistress' is useless...No one at the counter in that PO knows spit about their owns sevices...I was in shipping for 12 years and dealt with everything from the PO to over-the-road trucking companies and international shipping of containers and air freight...When I have to explain, and then PROVE to the Post Mistress that I can insure a first class package...There is something seriously wrong from the top down...

They are great at selling stamps and insuring Priority Mail packages...But try something that they consider out of the ordinary...They freak...


forgot to sign my post...    Posted 02-09-2003 at 20:10:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mike D.


sHan    Posted 02-09-2003 at 20:01:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with the others so dont get yer tailfeathers in an uproar...if you do your route and treat the people on your route the way you say you do then you are a great person more power to you...but the carriers around here dont give a $hit about anything except getting PAID thats it!! if somthing isent spelled just right you wont get it unless of corse its a BILL then it can be spelled bass acwards and it will get personal atintion and be in your box next day... now that being sead ive tried to do some things to make it easyer on our mail lady and i might as well be peein in the wind. i raised our box up so it was closer to the hight of her blazer/put up an extra large box to make it easyer to get larger mail in/and even hauled in some gravel to get rid of the mud in front of the box..and what did i get for all this? a letter from her saying the post needed painting/the gravel was to loose and her blazer would slide in it(well slow down)and that my box was old and i should go buy a NEW ONE i dont think so that box was my great grandfathers and its approved by the postmaster general(says that on the door)....so now i wave to her every day only proulblem is ive got stiff fingers and 3 of the 4 wont go up you figure witch ones if you care...im outa here done ranting


Burrhead    Posted 02-09-2003 at 19:07:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ma Burr has been with the postal for years too.

It's good to have 1 person out of 100 that like the job but the other 99 folks in that 100 make it look like a job corp project.

I never could figger out how come a postal route person can send back a get well card for not enuff postage or being one digit off on the box number but can always find a place to stuff them stupid salespapers from Eckert's and Walmart.


Maggie/TX    Posted 02-09-2003 at 19:25:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
My grandfather was a postal route carrier back in the days when his "ride" was a horse and open buggy. This pretty much made it as hard to ride the route as to walk it in bad weather, and then there was the horse to deal with when he spooked at thunder and lightning...not a cushy job. Of course, this was back when getting door to door postal SERVICE was very new and considered such a wonderful luxury by the folks who formerly would have to take time off their farming to ride into town maybe once a week or month to get their mail that they REALLY APPRECIATED the mail carrier.


Larry    Posted 02-09-2003 at 15:04:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Doesn't the gub'ment provide a service for helping you fill out all that paper work? };-)


Mike D.    Posted 02-09-2003 at 20:11:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
hehehe, I'd like that. Could use some other help too!


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