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Beat small farm tractor deal.
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Jimbob    Posted 02-09-2003 at 22:39:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I promised I would post this earlier. For hay crop and other, the Allis Chalmers WD-45 is the best, low cost deal. Enough power for a bailer & tow wagon. It has a live PTO , over 33 drawbar horsepower per Nebraska Test Lab & weighs over 4400lbs for a good grip + stability. Consistantly sell for under $2K in good running condition, some under $1K. A real tough 'workhorse', much better than a common Ford 8N or 9N.


Jim in Michigan    Posted 02-10-2003 at 16:03:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think i am going to just butt out of this one,, everyone is entitled to their own opinions,,but if you happen to find the place that is paying 2k for a WD45 be sure and let me know,,I will start buying them up here and shipping them to that place...I paid 500 for mine, wide front with a Loader and a 2 bottom plow,,,,Jim


Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 14:46:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Okay, point #1 who cares?
#2 If theres no Allis (Agco) dealer around then your best parts availablity thing is BOGUS at best.
#3 If theres no Allis WD-45s around to be bought then its also a moot point.

I've only every seen 1 Allis in person(except for some crawlers, that was a WC and at an antique shop. Allis was not big in my area. My IH dealer can get all sorts of parts for my Super M, I've never had a problem. Rice Equipment can get about anything I need for my Regular, thats a 1928 mind you, the parts are just a phone call away.
In my area a Farmall M or H will go for around $1000 right now, a 300 which has live PTO like the WD-45 but is probably a bit smaller is around $2k.
I've never seen hay brought in with a bailer and tow wagon. Its hilly here, it'd be suicide. Farmers have always had big flatbed trucks or a wagon behind another tractor and a bale crew.
Now most farmers use big round bales, eliminates the need for the wagon and the crew. They store the big bales around the edge of the field covered in plastic. When they want a bale they go over with a tractor with a bale spike and grab one.

In all your replies you seem to work hard to come off as a know it all, my question still stands, whats your point?

Oh, and where are you located? It seems like you have no concept of the regionality of this contry. For example everything I keep thinking over for an example will get me skilleted, so I guess I'll leave that alone...


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 16:21:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
The postings on this site are not all my opinion, but a general concensus of many farmers on the internet with years of experience across the USA.

I did not list tractors without a Live PTO. For safer use, a live or independent PTO is a good idea. The Farmall M does not have a Live PTO, however an overriding clutch adapter is next best.

Parts- Not a mute point, if you can not get a part down the street, one can order thru the mail. If a dealer does not have a part on the shelf, he also orders it thru the mail. If you can't get a part down the street or thru the mail- you got a problem!

Good deals on Farmall tractors in your area? By all means get one. The Farmall M & H models do not have a parts issue- many new parts are available. The Farmall H is a little small for a hay crop when a larger tractor can be purchased. I noticed the small 20 to 27 drawbar horsepower tractors are more expensibe than larger tractors with 35 to 40 drawbar horsepower. It is better operating a tractor at less than capacity per many farmers opinions.

Wagon use Dangerous- If your land slope presents a danger, by all means do not use a hay wagon. Most farmers do use a hay wagon on flat or gentle sloping land.

I live in Michigan & I am not a know it all. Iam not even a seasoned farmer. Again, my postings are of opinions of many well seasoned farmers. I still believe the WD 45 is a good, reliable tractor at a good price across most parts of the USA.

I would hope your valuable advise would not be subject to a 'grilling' on this site.


Orphans and such-    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:23:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hello again Jimbob,
My friend Tom A. hit the nail on the head.
If you aren't handy with a wrench go with what your neighbors run the most. There will be a wealth of experience to draw from when things get dicey.
If you are handy, and can get parts, there are a number of fine tractors out there that are reasonable. We ran a David Brown 990 (diesel) for a utility tractor for several years. It was 52 hp at the pto. Good on fuel, easiest diesel I ever started in the winter. Lots of them in Canada near you. Go to Agdealer.com for a look. We let ours go for a bigger machine to handle bigger chores. Only reason I had for selling it.
We are on our 6th tractor now. This one is bigger than the others. I have found that you can by more hp. than you need for 2/3 of the cost of the hp. that you are seeking. I can't explain it.
Most smaller machines are being gobbled up by
fellas with similar needs to your own. I'd look into this, could save you some money and give you a tractor that will have plenty of power.
One other thing to take note of: don't try to skid any big logs with a small tractor. It will make a widow of your wife. They flip over easily. Something to give caution to.

Good luck on your search- Mike D.



Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:43:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes, if not handy mechanically, one must look for local support & repair. We have a great John Deere distributor that is also connected to a John Deere club. They can get any part for any John Deere- new or used if new is not available. I got lucky & found a nice condition Ford 961 for $2K + impliments (does not happen often at $2K). This spring may get interesting....auctions just are not getting bids like last year!


Jim in Michigan    Posted 02-10-2003 at 06:21:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a WD45,, I hate it,, its uncomfortable to run for any length of time,nowhere comfy to put your feet... It seems bulky and steers crappy even with new steeing parts on the wide front, narrow front would probably be better steering. Only good thing on it is the hand clutch, makes it like live power when baling,,,MY OPINION...Jim


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:20:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes, not the most comfortable, then add $1500 to $2000 more for a Ford 861 or 3000, Massey 35, Allis D-15 series II or Oliver 550. All in the same power class with live PTO. Get the point? Low cost, gets the job done.


Tom A    Posted 02-10-2003 at 04:46:38       [Reply]  [Send Email]
A good deal for you, but not necessarily for everyone.

My life-long farmer neighbor gave me advice once a few years back that I ignored. Cost me big time.

He said I should only buy equipment that has a good local shop with experience on that piece (tractor, baler, combine...) to support it. Doesn't matter how good the equipment, or cheap, or how many horsepower...eventually you'll need parts and support unless you are a very talented machinist and mechanic and have all the books and specs.

I ignored that advice, bought a good baler at a good price, and lost out big time because nobody locally could or would work on it. After time I eventually re-sold it at scrap price...lesson learned.

WD-45 is a good tractor. But one size *never* fits all, and there are many many good tractors out there--some are green, some are red, orange.

Tom A


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:26:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Better take a closer look, you have not done your homework. This tractor has more new (not used) parts available than about any older tractor. Starter drives, radiators, water pumps, electrical, major engine overhaul kits, minor engine parts, intake & exhaust manifolds, gasket sets, even a new steering wheel.


Willy-N    Posted 02-10-2003 at 09:59:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Jimbob; You need to first use your tractor for a few years and gain some experiance with it. It dose not matter what the adds say, past records or color wars. Just using it will tell you the short falls of each one. Maintance on the one you bought may have not been good and it could be on it's last leg and break down in a few weeks or you could get lucky and get several years or more out of one. I part tractors for a living and have seen a lot of parts just ready to break on ones I've bought. Every one is in a different stage of being wore out. I've paid from 500.00 to 3,000.00 for them. Best deal I ever got was a 500.00 Ferguson TO-30 and put another 500.00 into it used it for a year and sold it for 3,000.00 and it is still running great after 2+ years of hard work. When you buy used you take a risk and hope for the best no matter how good it runs when you buy it. Same thing with new they can break right after getting them. I have had tractors and thought they were great till I got another one and said wow this is nice! Sometimes you wish you had the old one back. It is never Black and White when it comes to equipment. Each persons use will be different and that is why there are so many tractors out their. Depends on what you want to do with them and if you know how to work with or on them. Any tractor is better than no tractor! Knowing how to use one can make all the difference in the world as to how good it is. I have no problem moving snow but my neibor has problems all the time just dose it wrong. Takes years to figure this all out and I am learning more all the time. You need to get your experiance from old timers who been doing it all there life. No book or internet site has all the answers, they help but plain old working with it is a good teacher too. I don't profess to know all the answers in this feild but I have had 13 plus tractors in the past couple of years to learn on. All different colors sizes and shapes too. I also know when I need the right one for the right job and have my other neibor bring the big stuff over when needed. He has a little one too and loves it for grading the drive way and small clean up jobs. His Skidder, Trackhoe and Backhoe they all have there place but he loves to drive his Ferguson TO-30 it is fun to work with and more forgiving. My favoit tractor right now is my MF 135 Orchard with live PTO, Power Steering, Differential Lock, and lots of lights for night time snow plowing. I only use mine for clean up, grading and pushing snow and it dose a good job at it. But I have never farmed befor, plowed feilds all day with one, raised large crops and such so I would visit a few farmers first and watch them ask some questions and tap there knollage if I was going to give that a try. Might even ask them if I could work for free for a while to get the hang of this type of work, first hand knowlage is the best teacher for me. Just jump right in get my hand dirty with them and learn from it. It all takes time to learn then after a few years of doing this kind of work myself I would feel more quaified to tell others. Sincerly, Mark H.


All, please Read.......Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:10:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good comments. My post(s) & findings are from old, experienced farmers with their opinions posted at many sites throughout the internet. My posts on tractors are not my personal opinion, but the opinion of many others. The 'many new & available' parts are based upon parts for sale from dealers. Again, not my opinion, just what is on a shelf somewhere for sale.


Tom A    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:50:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry, Jimbob, my mistake. I thought you were looking for a little friendly help and advice from other folks who are doing the same kinds of thing.

Fact is, I did my tractor homework some years ago and did just fine. If you are equally happy with your WD in a few more years, then I'll be happy for you. But as I said, there is no "best tractor," you have to get what suits you.

good luck to you.
Tom


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 08:26:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom, I own a 1958 Ford 961. My WD-45 post is best tractor with Live PTO (safety) for the lowest advertised price. Equally important is an old tractor with very good new parts support. Not only are your much more experienced comments important to everyone, you make excellent comments. Tom, please continue to advise us. I do have a habit for looking at the lowest-cost, quality items. I do not always purchase the lowest cost items either.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-10-2003 at 03:24:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"Beat small farm tractor deal"

Um...

I got my 8N for free...

Beat ya...

;-)


Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 09:05:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Same with my Farmall Super M...


Salmoneye    Posted 02-10-2003 at 09:14:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I want that

;-)


Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 14:35:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
In the same deal I got a '28 Regular, '88 GMC Pickup with only 90k miles, and 70 acre farm..
The whole bundle cost me $1 and other value considerations. We call it a before death inheriance.
I did have to pay taxes on the whole deal though.


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:27:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry about typo, 'Beat'. I like free also, as it is a even better deal.


Willy-N    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:00:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I did too! Bought and sold a few Ns and Fergusons and ended up with a Free Massey Ferguson 135 out of the deal. Just kept trading till I got the one I needed and the last one paid for my Massey and gave me my money back too. Mark H.


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:28:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Horsetrading is a great way to get a tractor.


Larry    Posted 02-10-2003 at 06:51:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]

That's about what they are worth to me. :-) I'm a J.I.Case man myself.


Jimbob    Posted 02-10-2003 at 07:30:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Some will pay $2K+ higher for John Deere green as well.


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