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2-stroke engines being outlawed?
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Tom A    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:05:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Guess I'm out of it, but I've just heard twice in the last two weeks from friends that the Federal Government (EPA??) is going to ban all 2-stroke engines. Hadn't heard it on the news anywhere.

Anybody hear this, and have any details? How far along is this proposal, just talk or are regulations being written?

They planning to come door to door and take chain saws and weedwackers, or what?

Tom A

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Small Engine    Posted 03-23-2004 at 20:18:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well to me a 4 cycle still burns fossil fuels just like a 2 stroke! Where does it's spent hydrocarbons go? Last I heard TCW-3 and "Most" of the other brand of 2 cycle oils were at 85% biodegradable and a 2 cycle can be repaired by most novice enthusiasts', unlike a many moving part4 stroke bomb, 4 strokes are okay don't get me wrong (when their new) but they ware out too and get pretty spendy to repair! If they want to hollar about pollution tell one of them govt. suits to stand under an underpass in Twin Cities, MN. for 15 mins. and then they'll see who the "REAL" polluters are! "4 STROKE DIESEL SEMI TRACTORS AND CARS/SUV'S! WHICH BY THE WAY, THE GOVT. OF B.C. CANADA VANCOUVER? DID A STUDY ON A 4 CYCLE 3.5 H.P. BRIGGS LAWN MOWER RUN AT W.O.T. @ 3200 RPM PUT MORE HYDROCARBONS INTO THE AIR THAN A FULL SIZE CHEVY SUBURBAN DID ON A 1000 MILE TRIP AT 60 MPH CRUISE SPEED @ 1850 RPM.

gatractorman    Posted 02-11-2003 at 02:48:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
I heard it was the 2-stroke outboards, and me sitting here with 3 of them oops no only 2 now thanks to a guy from Texas and Ebay, as if the 4-stroke outboards aren't expensive enough now imagine what they will be when thats all you can get.

Greg VT    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:00:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I haven't heard of a proposed all out ban on two-strokes but it does seem to be heading that way, especially concerning outboards and snowmobiles. More and more lakes every year a regulating against the use of two stroke outboards.

The anti-snowmobiling crowd in Vermont loves to quote some data they credit to a study done by some enviromental agency from California that say's that a two-stroke snowmobile run for one hour puts more pollutants into the air then a modern car does in an entire year.


Pretty Sure...    Posted 02-10-2003 at 11:47:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
All the 'stink' is over Snowmobiles, ATV's and Motorcycles...

Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 11:40:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeahbut, some companies like Amsoil and Blue Marble are making cleaner 2 stroke oils that might buy a little time.
I have no idea what would replace them though. I've never seen a 4 stroke small enough for a chainsaw or weedwhacker.

Red Dave - That And..    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:13:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you build a 4 stroker with enough power to run a saw, who is gonna lift it?

I can see the fuss about 2 stroke outboards, here on the river, we see them running around and you can see the oil slick behind them on a calm day. You couldn't do that if you were an industry, the Clean Streams Act defines a spill as "sufficient quantity to form a visible sheen". That's one drop and the EPA can fine you. 2 stroke outboards can't meet that standard.
I think it is excessive to try to ban 2 stroke chain saws and weedwackers though.

Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:16:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah the problem comes up with snowmobiles too.
Thing is it doesn't have to. My '70 Ski-Doo right now gets 20:1 conventional oil. If you idle it for a minute it leaves a black oily spot on the snow. Thats only going to last until this next can of mix gas is gone and I'm convinced the rings have seated good, then it goes over to Amsoil synthetic mixed at 60:1. I use that in all my other machines, no smoke, no drips.
The Blue Marble stuff I haven't used but apparently its a food grade oil that doesn't leave "the sheen" like you mentioned.

Red Dave    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:38:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have investigated using some of the food grade or so-called bio-degradable oils in some of our equipment here. Some of it is soy based. We have a lot of machinery in constant direct contact with the water and we bust our butts to prevent any and all oil leaks, no matter how small. The problem is that EPA doesn't make any distinction or allowance for using those products yet. I guess it takes a long time to rearrange the thinking of federal agencys.

Ludwig    Posted 02-10-2003 at 12:50:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, I can see where it'd take awhile.
I've never tried the Blue Marble stuff but one of the sled mags did and said it was great. I want to try it but haven't been able to get any. For now the Amsoil stuff is great.

Bob/Ont    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:50:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
They will just stop them being imported to or manufactured in the US after some date. After that you will have the added responsibilty, while cutting down a tree of, not sawing through the cord connecting your electric chainsaw to your 4 cycle aircooled gen set.
Later Bob

kraig WY    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:13:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
They can have my weed wacker, Wont start anyway. Never did have luck with one. Goats are better.

How ever, they ain't getting my chain saw unless they plan on supplying the firewood.

Bob/Ont    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:18:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kraig, didn't you get enough fire wood from the last government induced flood.
Later Bob

kraig WY Acutually I did    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:24:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
The governer of South Dakota, agains fed rules, sent prisioners into the Black Hill National Forest to cut up the burnt trees. I got a lot of free firewood out of that deal. All I had to do was haul it home and split it.

Bob/Ont    Posted 02-10-2003 at 10:45:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Get it all split fast Kraig before the treehuggers get then to ban axes.
Later Bob

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