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Nieghbors goats and dog...need advice
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pete    Posted 02-17-2003 at 12:08:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have a neighbor that has 15 to 20 goats on about 25 acres of land, at times his goats would get out and come onto my property for grazing and at time I would see his gate wide open which indicate to me he wants them out, his fencing in the back of his property is not fenced off so if a goat decides to wander out of the fence it can without any problems. My dog is a german sheperd, it is a pure breed. I love my dog, if someone drives up, she will not offer to bite someone, just sniff and she will always stand between whoever we are talking to. We also have alot of problems with stray dogs and coyotes. nieghbor also has about 2 dogs that was cought killing another nieghbors chickens and was wittnessed of his dog eating on someting and him running too his dog on his property to see what it is, my dog was on a chain at this time. he accused of my dog of killing his goats and wanted $600.00 for them and also threatened too take us to court. now...we have alot of prowlers in this area, one was cought and arrested but that was before we got a dog to guard the property, we had another german sheperd we found dead about 200 yards in front of his property, I suspected was poisoned but could not prove it, the dog carcaus was gone when we went back to get it. we also had pieces of what looked like liver ended up in the front yard, the dog or cats would not touch it. this nieghbors co-workers stated that this guy could not be trusted and watch him closely that he will steal you blind. Question: Should I let my dog off the chain for protection of property? and let his goats and dogs run free along with the surrounding nieghbors dogs. I have pictures of his goats on my property and at night his dogs would come to my house to eat the food we put out for our animals(I feed my animals). thank you.


pete    Posted 02-18-2003 at 23:50:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
you all have been wanderful about this subject, that is the most responses i've seen in years and I thank everyone for them. taylor....you have an idea of what type of guy i'm dealing with here, but i have tried talking to this guy and everything simmers down for about 6 weeks then he starts the cycle all over again, one time he thought he could put in a trailor park 50 feet from my house(of course on his property), he came too the house and said his well went dry and he has to run city water line but he needed me to sign a form with all the nieghbors on this road, I signed the form, and as he went out the door he said "now if only i can get the other nieghbors to sign, I'll put in my trailor court", my alertness just shot up to 10, I asked him "trailor court?", he then pointed to the field across the road, " I'm going to put a trailor court there", i asked him "i tought your well went dry" he said "no, its for my trailor court", anger just shot up to 10. the next day he began too dig foundation holes with the backhoe he borrowed from his brother, I went to the court house and had my name removed from the list he turned in the day before, when i got home, i called all the nieghbors and found out he had told them the same thing, and told them the "TRUTH" of what he was up to, they went to the court house and had thier names removed. well...to make it short, I called the EPA on him, why...the land he was digging had sink holes and anyone that rented off of him could have gotten hurt, 2. he was going to run his septic over the hill, beside a creek and have no tank whatsoever, 3. he LIED to me, 4. and think about this....why would he go all the way to the other side of his property and across from my house (about 6 football fields) to put in a trailor court....harassment!!


Taylor Lambert    Posted 02-18-2003 at 14:35:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hated to take it out on the goats, but it really bothered me whacting my girlfriends mother about to cry over her new car. Then his response about i aint puttin them up, I hear the little voice in my head say well you might not have many left. In the year he had lived there all but 5 neighbor hood dogs had been shot or poisoned some still on there chain. He had been spotted chunking out meat scrapes from the butcher and my friend at the co op said he'd been buying up alot of rat poison, and we had a few peices of me tests and they had rat poison in it. This fella had Emus and these goats that just roamed where they wanted. I got 6or 7 goats I hated to hit them but i thought they had more sence than a guinea but i guess they though everyone else stops for us. I though i was gonna loose controll of the old truck. But since then its been smooth sailing and hes become a good neighbor since he found out that he could be put in his place. I dont mean to sound cruel we have 6 pet goats and a burro and keep them in a 4 acre fence.


Farmer Wantabe    Posted 02-18-2003 at 08:18:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Laws pertaining to your problem vary in different locals so you need to do some local checking. In OH the right half of the line fence (as you are standing on you property looking at it) is yours to maintain so it would depend on where they went through. Damages are per mutual agreement or through small claims which is a joke because they cant enforce the ruling. Only if the damage exceeds a given amount (I think $2,500) can you sue in regular court and have a chance at collecting. The stock can be claimed but only if it has been determained to be abandoned. The dog problem is a different story, any stray dog can be "dispatched" on private property but they frown upon it as we have dog wardens that are supposed to protect us from strays. Your in one of those predicaments where a person sometimes has to wait untill substantial material damage is done before the law will do anything. Remember your laws are probably different than everboby elses here.


PatM    Posted 02-18-2003 at 06:09:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here in Colorado we're a "fence 'em out state". That means that you build a fence to keep the neighbor's stock off your place. A legacy of the open range days, I guess.


Mac/MS    Posted 02-18-2003 at 06:46:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Goat make tastey BBQ. Treat them like deer that destroy your crop, drop em. Don't have a crop? Plant one and let him know what will be done.


pete    Posted 02-18-2003 at 00:56:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
LOL...taylor, you madman. It's a good idea...but I can not bring myself to harm animals, its not the goats falt if the SOB does not feed them, at times i see them stripping the bark off trees, I've never seen him feed the poor things, his land is so dead from lack of care you can't even grow corn. burrhead and les.. you're right, right now I'm building a case with pictures and all, since I am a disabled Vet, I got all the time I need. In the meantime the sheriff instructed me to keep the dog on the chain and see if anymore goats comes up missing, of course the nieghbor would not tell me if one did, he will make a special trip by my house to see if i got the dog tied up, driving real slow.


cowgirlj    Posted 02-18-2003 at 07:36:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you susupect he is not feeding his animals, and they are neglected, you could call the SPCA to investigate. But is there no way the two of you can work this problem out without it being a war between yous? Sometimes all it takes is someone to be the bigger man (so to speak), and to call a trouse. Who knows, you could even end up being close friends?


Taylor Lambert    Posted 02-17-2003 at 22:03:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hate to sound cruel but when i was younger my girlfriend had a neighbor that intended to let his goats roam, the cops never would say alot because it was hard to get proof. He was also a neighborhood bully type that didnt allow anyone to keep a dog. I pulled in the drive way and 3 goats were on her mothers car and the rest mnching on the garden. I got the same response i aint puttin my goats up. Well i though how hard her mom worked to buy her first new car it kinda got worse all day. That weekend i wanted to help my girlfreind in the garden and fix a few pot holes in the drive way. I took the dump truck and lowboy and dropped off the hoe and parked the trailer i had to stop and wait for the goats to get out of the way. I went to the quarry and maxed out 9 tons worth of crusher run and headed back to my girlfreinds. I whipped off down the road a bit swooftly and though that a goat had better sense than to stare down 20,000 pounds of truck. well i flattened the h#ll out of the goats and called my insurance company, that came out and made a report and the Goat man didnt have any live stock insurance, I hated to do this but i told my insurance man i wouldnt claim dammage to my truck if the neighbor put the goats up and made them stay up, and that if another dog was to come up poisoned Id find something. To this day the man keeps his goats in the pasture.


pete    Posted 02-17-2003 at 16:30:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I heard that one to fredo, I was told by the local sheriff that if the goats continue that the only thing to do is round the goats up and take them to the stock yard but that would be the last resort. as far as the fence goes....that can run into big bucks.I can not afford that, besides...why should i "pay" for something I can not prove or disprove that my dog was involved nor could the nieghbor, I asked him for proof and he kept brushing me off. the nieghbor just called and when told about the goats being in the dog house, his remarks were "well thats not very smart". thanks everyone for the feedback.


Burrhead    Posted 02-17-2003 at 18:53:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
We got the same stock law in Texas that fredo has in Mich as far as damages go. You can pen the animals up that "visit" but you can't kill or sell them.

The owner has to pay for you keeping his animals or in 30 days after you send him a certified letter to describe the problems and damages done by the animals and WITH a court order you can sell or claim the visitors for damages.

We also got another law you might want to check into for your area.

The animal owner does not have to have a good fence to keep his animals at home, the neighbor has to have a good enough fence to keep the animals out.

It covers any domesticated animal that is kept for food or fiber production, no matter if they are in the business of selling the animals or not.

It's good to see Les on top of the problems as usual.


Les...fortunate    Posted 02-18-2003 at 02:51:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
You've made my day, Burrhead, and made my case at the same time.


Burrhead    Posted 02-18-2003 at 17:35:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Glad to be of service Brudder Lester.
Anything fer you boys in uniform.

Are ye a real live deacon today or is this yer day to make wise cracks about blonde headed wimmin and Elmo's test tickles??

BTW- I did'nt make yer point fer ye. You been hanging your cap and ear muffs on it for years dear Brudder.


screaminghollow    Posted 02-17-2003 at 16:17:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We had a neighbor whose dog would go after our livestock. I shot it with a BBgun when it came near the house or barn. After about ten hits, it got the idea. As for the goats, it is against the law in many jurisdictions to allow livestock out unattended. Or when they are over "visiting" call the neighbor and tell him they just were jumping on your car and you need a new paint job because of the scratches. Ask for the name of his homeowner's insurance so you can make the claim for your car paint. Goats do have a way of opening things sometimes. (I had some goats that could open the latch. Had to chain it shut.) Get a lawyer, but sue him first, so when he brings up the dead goats you can claim he's just saying that to get back at you for suing.


fredo    Posted 02-17-2003 at 14:03:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
in michigan there was a law where you could pen up there critters and they couldent get them back until they setteled up for your expence of taking care of them [feed&found] it was called. i don't know where being policticly correct has taken us in this matter. by now they can probaley get a person for russeling.


Ana    Posted 02-17-2003 at 12:20:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Myself, I would fence myself and mine in so there's no doubt we are where we are supposed to be. That also keeps them and their animals out. That old saying: fences make better neighbors---or whatever. Nothing worse than lousy neighbors, hugh? Just my opinion.


Les...3 words    Posted 02-17-2003 at 12:12:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Get a lawyer. The advice you get here is worth exactly what you pay for it.


Cindi    Posted 02-17-2003 at 12:34:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good advice and good point Les. Now, future preventative measures. You can buy a humane muzzle for your dog, just a strap over the nose to prevent dog from opening mouth wide enough to do damage. When he's running loose slip it on, he can still drink but not eat, it's also adjustable. Can't get mouth open wide enough to 'take down'. I'm not suggesting your dog is guilty, but if he has this on when 'seen' running around obvious he can do no harm. You may see this as an admission of guilt and others may as well, but if the killings continue, case closed. As an owner of both dogs and goats, I sympathize with both sides.


pete    Posted 02-17-2003 at 13:45:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
a muzzle is a good idea but the fence is out of the question. I just got thru with another incident with the goats, I went outside and behold what did i see....2 goats coming out of the dog house, the dog was licking on them...LOL.


GusandEdie    Posted 02-17-2003 at 15:04:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why is a fence out of the question?


Cindi    Posted 02-17-2003 at 14:40:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
The idea of the muzzle is for your proctection. Look at it like insurance. You're never going to be able to control that man's goats or watch constantly to see who's dogs are the problems, but you can assure yourself that yours isn't and sleep nights.


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