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So what is a real farmer anyhow
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markct    Posted 02-21-2003 at 09:50:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
seems that after the post by cindy and walt it got me to thinking what the heck is a real farmer supposed to be, i bale hay and stuff,but i by no means consider myself a real farmer,i work fulltime as a machinist and we only have 20 acres anyhow (my parents land actualy). however,from what they were arguing they were basicly sayin that if ya didnt make your living from farming, ya wernt a farmer,seems there are lots of what i would consider farmers who unfortanatly no longer can make there living off there farm so they farm and have a job in town also, so are they no longer farmers. i dont plan to live here my whole life, im only 20 right now, in a few years i hope to move to an area thats more farming and rural,it once was that way here but that has all changed in the past 15 years or so, so would that make me a city transplant too like you accuse cindy of being,i wouldnt think so but im sure some would, i personaly think what cindy does is great weather she makes her living off of it or not,12 acres of fruit trees is alot of work, i would say she is putting in the work of a farmer even tho its not fulltime. i do hay and eventualy plan to do alot more than i do now, but i never plan to make a living off of it,so i guess when i move to somewhere else maybe i too will be ridiculed for not being a real farmer,o well i will keep on doing what i want to do. sorry if i stirred up any arguments, but thats just how i feel. and yes i do get upset at the city types who move to the country just for the environment of the area and then decide farms smell and should be replaced with more houses,thats what has happened all around where i live,but cindy definatly doesnt sound like she is that type,she moved here cause she liked the enviroment,but she is contributing to it not trying to change it,fruit trees is agriculture if ya ask me. had she moved in,built a huge house and just drove around in a BMW and tried get all the things that smell,make noise etc that would be different,the way i see it she is in the country doing country things so that is all that matters

Greg VT    Posted 02-21-2003 at 13:32:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Do I have to make my living fishing to call myself a fisherman?

Do I have to make a living hunting to call myself a hunter?

Do I have to make a living playing music to call myself a musician?

The only difference as far as I can see is that some are proffesionals and some are amateurs.

Like said below, If you work the land for fun or profit you are a farmer in my book.

markct    Posted 02-21-2003 at 14:57:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
that sums it up the best i could ever say it, hadnt thought of it that way, just like there are many woodworkers,mechanics etc,just some are proffesionals and some arnt.thanks for that response i like that explanation

Fawteen    Posted 02-21-2003 at 13:08:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with most of the below. I consider myself a "hobby" farmer. Don't make a dime doing it. Most years, it costs me money. On a REAL good year, I might break even, cover the cost of hay, feed and fuel by selling lambs.

There are darn few folks left that make their ENTIRE living off the land and/or livestock, and that number is dropping every year.

If I was 25 or 30, and had the financial resources, I'd seriously consider niche marketing of veggies and specialty meats. I think a person could make a go of that.

I'm too old and too broke to try it now.

"The one sure way to make a small fortune farming is to start with a big one..."

Mac/MS    Posted 02-21-2003 at 11:33:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ain't got no livestock. Yet.
Ain't got no crop. Yet.
But I got me a tractor and plow, disk, bushhog ect.
And I grow some really good weeds.
Must be doing something right don't ya think.

PatM    Posted 02-21-2003 at 11:10:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just had the FSA ag census people come by last week.

Virtually all "farmers" derive more that half their income "off the farm".

Ron/PA    Posted 02-21-2003 at 10:50:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark, I don't have a clue what a "farmer" means to most people, but if you were going to put a Dollar value on it, I suppose the definition gets very confusing.
A few years ago I got into a discussion with the local game warden, at the local fair. It centered on full time farmers, now he knows we farm, and how we do it, because he and his deputies hunt here every year. He considers us to be full time farmers.
He kept saying to be exempt from the doe tag requirement, you had to make the "major portion of your income from the farm"
The next day, I returned and showed him my records, for the previous year, a drought year, a bad one,,,, and in the end 1 hour of driving a truck paid more than our farm did all year,,,
Go figure,
PS, he told me that eating crow ain't bad with a little salt.

Salmoneye    Posted 02-21-2003 at 10:12:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I tell ya...

I think I take a broader stroke than many here when applying the term 'Farmer' to a person...For instances...

I know a guy that has a greenhouse about 100 foot by 200 foot...ALL he grows are hothouse tomatoes for a family owned restaurant chain here...Works his butt off all year round as it is his pride and joy...I consider him a Farmer...

I know a family that tills and plants 6 acres to 'Certified Organic' vegetables...They sell to the yuppie grocery stores locally...They also have a very small 'Pizza Shop' that they open only one day a week...You need reservations a month in advance...I consider them Farmers...

I know a couple dozen families that run small dairy operations...I consider them Farmers...I also consider their hired help to be Farmers...

I know one guy that sold his herd of cows and now does only hay...He trucks twice a month 'down country' to supply a couple very ritzy horse boarding outfits near NYC...I consider him a Farmer...

I know people that run christmas trees...Acre after acre of them...I consider them Farmers...

I know people that make their entire living off sheeps' wool, Maple Syrup, Llamas, Rabbits, Chickens, Hogs, Angus, and on and on...

The term 'Farmer', takes in many more people than just those who till a thousand plus acres, and plant to grain crops...

plowin    Posted 02-21-2003 at 12:49:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
The kid a mile down the road that works on my farm.He lives on one acre in a 3500sq ft house.He a farmer in my book.I would say anyone that makes a full or part time living off land,fish, livestock,trees,or crops is a farmer.Some here would say he is a hired hand.We call him a farmer.I knew a family their last name was farmer now they could qualify as real farmers.Now are these two real farmers?No but yes.


Robert    Posted 02-21-2003 at 11:38:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
How about a guy that makes the majority of his income doing custom tractor work. It he a farmer?

Salmoneye    Posted 02-21-2003 at 11:54:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you mean by 'custom tractor work', that he owns the machines and hires his services to people...I'd have to say yes...Just as I call a hired hand who milks cows a Farmer...

All in my own opinion of course...I just see anyone that works the land (or with the land) as a 'Farmer'...Did not mean to imply that a person has to own the land they work...Or even make a profit on it really...I know some guys that came from Farm life that pay their bills with an IBM job...But they still make sugar, or help their families haying, etc...

You can take the boy out of the Farm, etc...

I also think it works the other way to an extent...I know a couple who are concert musicians...Moved from NYC about 25 years ago...He wants nothing to do with 'the farm'...She boards horses, raises chickens for meat and eggs for money, and runs a sugaring operation that was there when they bought the place...She's a Farmer...he aint...

PS...I aint a Farmer...Someday maybe...


Cindi    Posted 02-21-2003 at 10:34:23       [Reply]  [No Email]

Main Entry: farm·er
Miriam-Websters definition:

Pronunciation: 'fär-m&r
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : a person who pays a fixed sum for some privilege or source of income....(HUH? LOL!)
2 : a person who cultivates land or crops or raises animals or fish

My definition:

Someone who, even if they have only one acre, uses that acre to grow something and make it pay for them. I knew people in the city who grew huge luxurious gardens on their little one acre plots and made enough to pay the light bill, keep their freinds in fresh veggies and canned and froze enough to get them through the rest of the year. To me a farmer is someone who values land and what it can provide and is willing to put the hard work into it to make it work for them. Whether it's one or one thousand acres, we all do what we can afford to do.

markct    Posted 02-21-2003 at 15:07:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
i agree exactly cindi, sorry i sorta focused my first post on you but i didnt think it was right how they put ya down as not a farmer and that got me to thinkin about it

Cindi    Posted 02-21-2003 at 17:03:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh, that's okay, I didn't feel singled out.

plowin    Posted 02-21-2003 at 16:25:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hello markct

I sure hope they dosen't mean I was putting Miss Cindi down.Never mention her,and have no problems with her.Don't post much because of the attacks.Was trying to stop the ongoing disagreement.Seems to me Cindi holds her own ground nicely.Just because I agreed with Walt dosen,t mean I dislike,or think she dosen't have rights.We can't all agree on everything all the time,but we can all be friends.Nuff said on this farmer vs farmer topic.


Cindi    Posted 02-21-2003 at 17:07:57       [Reply]  [No Email]

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