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Pit Bulls
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Cindi    Posted 02-23-2003 at 07:36:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I read an article in the paper this morning about a pit bull dog attacking and killing a seventy two year old kennel owner.

I worry at times because many people out where I live own these dogs. They use them as 'take down' dogs for wild hogs. You see them everywhere you go, in the backs of pickups, on the fronts of t-shirts, tied in front yards.

The dog's personality does not concern me in these environments. Contained, well raised, many of them are very sweet animals. What does concern me is what happens when they get loose. When they hook up with another dog or two and the pack mentality takes over. There is a recent case of an elderley woman being attacked inside her home by three pit bulls that tore through the screen to get in. She survived.

I think a good comparison would be the difference between owning a pellet gun and a shotgun. If something goes wrong, which it may do, would you rather be facing a pellet, or a shotgun shell to the face?

These dogs are extremely strong and bite to maim, not just to protect themselves or their loved ones. But people swear by them and have no trouble with them. Does anyone here own them? Do you trust them?


erin    Posted 08-24-2004 at 08:18:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I trust my pit bulls with my life. I would trust these loyal animals with my childrens lives. These animals do not bite to maim, or attack for reasons other than fear and protectance. They were bred to love people and they are eager to please. If you really want to know the truth about this breed get a book and stop buying into the media frenzy. Most officials that insist on banning this breed are uneducated. The truth of the matter is that the owner decides what kind of animal their dog will be. Place the blame where it truly belongs. Irresponsible people.


Mark    Posted 09-08-2003 at 01:07:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
After reading all of the replies I see exactly how uneducated most of you people are about these dogs. Like the myth that they lock their jaw. Do your research before you open you mouth or you may look like some dumb hick!!(salmoneye) I have owned dogs all my life and the best dog I have ever owned was a female pit I saved from the pound. I take the dog with me everywhere I can including in some stores like Lowe's, Home Depot where dogs are allowed. My pit never leaves my side even without a leash. She won't even pay attention to other dogs. I have had other dogs try to attack her were I live like Poodles, Labradors, and Retreivers. All of the so called good family dogs!!! My dog is loved by ALL of my neighbors. My neighbors made all of the same comments I have heard from the replies when I first got her. They ALL have a change of heart and there isn't a neighbor around that doesn't LOVE my Pit. All of their kids play with the dog and I have had NO problems with her and it has been a good 12 years with her. When I take her to the Vet's office she is NEVER muzzled and my vet tells me he has more problems out of other breeds of dogs, not pits. I have left my dog overnight with them for medical problems. When I have come in to pick her up the ladies in the office had her hanging out with them all day instead of back in the cages with the rest of the dogs. I have elderly neighbors that don't even own a dog , but buy dog bones at the stores for her and are thrilled when she comes to visit. She sits in the front yard with no fence or restaint and never leaves the yard. There is not a neighbor on my street that has a problem with that either. They even comment they wish their dogs and their kids were so well behaved like my pit. I have had lots of people ask me for training advice after seeing my dog and that has come from ALL types of dog owners. I am no professional trainer, just a dog lover that spends time and love with my dog. Not all dogs are created equal they are just like kids. It is all how you raise them and even raising a kid right won't guarantee a perfect kid. That also goes for dogs too Pit Bull or Poodle. I think though you have a better chance of training a Pit Bull Terrier just because they are extremely intelligent dogs being that they are a terrier. Salmoneye do some research on intelligent dogs and tell me were you find the terrier breed??? Everyone I have ever talked too that owned a Pit had nothing ,but good to say. The negative comments generally come from those who never had one. It's kind of like those people who want to give advice on kids ,but have never had kids themself!!!!


Farmwench    Posted 02-24-2003 at 12:13:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Pitbull breeds were historically developed and bred to be agressive, to bite down with an INCREDIBLE jaw strength, and to NOT LET GO. Sometimes you have to kill these dogs (and then maybe break their jaw) to then be able to pry their jaws off their victim. Salmoneye, no poodle or German Shepherd can match this crushing jaw power, or locking jaw characteristic.
When you combine the nature of the breed with an individual animal with a nasty temperament (and temperament is a VERY heritable characteristic), and top that off with improper socialization and poor obediance training, or worse, attack training, you have created a killer just waiting for an opportunity to do his thing.
I have seen, and had to work on/around dogs that would not stop coming at you. And I saw a Pitbull that was so nasty it would not allow itself to be restrained in a Vet clinic in preparation for routine surgery. Following the preanesthetic sedation, the dog was still so viscious and struggled so violently against restraint that it's heart stopped. The Vets couldn't get it started again, and I can't honestly say I cried over that one. That dog was seriously intent on killing all of us in it's vicinity.
I've met a few very friendly pit type dogs, but wouldn't trust any of them 100%. I had a little Staffordshire Terrier (one of the pit bull types) type dog for 12 years, and she required a lot of supervision. She was inclined to get in trouble with those teeth, which she could slice through just about anything with. Fortunately, she learned that live critters were off limits, but she was a bugger on inanimate objects.
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot one of these dogs going after any of my stock.


Susan    Posted 09-05-2003 at 06:26:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]

In reference to Pit Bull dogs:

The "Locking Jaw" theory is a myth!

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amerpit.html

Better to get educated than to speculate or buy into any of the media hyped scentsationalism about the Pit Bull breed.


RayP(MI)    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:01:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
A pit bull lives just down the road, and delights in getting loose, and coming down here. He threatens us and our livestock. We got three llamas to protect our sheep. Our bunnies are locked up in a tightly closed barn. We're in fear of what this animal could do to our stock. Some of our bunnies are worth more than he is. Last time he got out, we managed to capture him and made the owner come get him. He got a lesson on what llamas could do, and the dog has been more closely contined. To quote their 7yr old daughter, he's "mean."


Cindi    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:11:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Try some rubber shot gun shells. Not too close as they will break the skin. Which may or may not be an issue for you by now.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:26:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If that dog was here in VT, he would have been shot already...And it would not be rubber pellets...And the owner would have no recourse whatsoever...

The law is quite clear about Dogs 'worrying' livestock or deer...even in towns without leash laws...


Killed people around here    Posted 02-23-2003 at 13:22:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I live outside of the Chicago area. Just this past month, two pits teamed up in a forest preserve & attacked one jogger who survived and killed another jogger. Reports of dogs attacking and often killing children & adults are pretty regular around here. Mostly pits and rotts. Of course, there are lots of people in the city that bring that out in their dog or neglect it out of their dog. Makes me physically ill. Chicago has about 4 or 6 cops who's sole job is to investigate dog fighting, etc. There needs to be a system in place to hold people accountable for their animals. Heard recently that they are thinking about micro chipping all dogs so that they can be traced to their owner when they're out causing trouble. I have a baby and the thought of a vicious dog trapsing through our property when she's outside playing terrifies me. Do you worry about coyotes in this way? I'd never own a pit, rot, or any other large dog that I couldn't kick across the room if it came at me. My 20 pound rat terrier is as docile as a they come, but if he ever came at me, I could blow him out like a candle.


Jimbob    Posted 02-23-2003 at 14:22:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember the pretty young lady that was killed in California? What a waste, she never had a chance at life. Pitbull woman owner was indifferent to the attack- she acted like the young lady had it coming. She is in prison now for it. PS- she was uglier than the dog in many ways.


Ron/PA    Posted 02-23-2003 at 12:07:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
We owned a pit bull for 17 years, We got a tip from a state trooper that they broke up a fight ring, and there was 1 dog that may be able to be adopted. After a rough start at the pound, he fast became a fiercly loyal and protective dog. There were some years that I was over the road, and I knew that, that dog would be dead before anyone could hurt Donna.
Why in the world anyone would board a Pit, or agree to take a pit is beyond me, around here no kennel will take one. I had friends family that could work with him safely and they did.
After 17 years, (he was 18) I took my buddy for a walk, we said goodbye and I decided that was my last pit, which doesn't make any sense, cause he was alot easier to kick in the butt than my Rotty.
Trust them 100% never,, why would I it's an animal.
Later
Ron, who says the more I'm around people the more I like my dogs.


mm    Posted 03-18-2004 at 18:14:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
It was a presa canario not a pit bull who killed the woman in San Francisco, CA. It just goes to show your another ignoramus spreading false info.


Jimbob    Posted 02-23-2003 at 08:02:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do not care for a pitbull, however do not know dogs nor understand how they get so mean....trained that way or born that way?


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2003 at 07:44:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I learned long ago that breed makes no difference...I do not, and will never, trust ANY animal fully...

Very few people I trust fully either...

Salmoneye The Cynic...


Cindi    Posted 02-23-2003 at 11:54:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
The thing about the pit bull is that it is built for extreme fighting. It was bred to take down bulls. Hence pit 'bull' terrier.


Hey Salmoneye......................Jimbob    Posted 02-23-2003 at 08:03:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll 'second' the people thing.


Cindi    Posted 02-23-2003 at 07:47:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen. The thing that concerns me about these dogs though is the capacity for serious damage. I mean, you get bit by a poddle or a german shepard, nost times they bite and then run off a few feet and then either keep going or turn to see if you will pursue. A pit bull bites and then hangs on until either a body part comes loose or they drag you to the ground and then God knows what will happen. Scary stuff.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2003 at 07:58:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have only been afraid of one dog in my life...and that one deserved fear...Crazy bugger...

I repect and love most dogs...But seldom will turn my back on them...I have waded through and broken up many animal fights...I sincerely believe that Pitbulls, Rottys, Wolf crosses etc, get a bad name...I think that poodles are just as dangerous if they want to be...

And I have never seen any dog keeps coming at you if you know how to 'handle' them and do not show fear...

I saw a cop show (one of the few times I watched one) where the police 'threatened' to 'send in the dog' on a criminal who is hiding...The people just came running out and layed down on the ground LOL...

Ayuh...I may get bit, but I won't be the last one bleeding...


LiL MI    Posted 08-14-2003 at 00:56:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i agree completely its about time some one realizes the truth about the breeds!


Cindi    Posted 02-23-2003 at 08:13:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, if I have anything at my disposal to 'even the odds' I too would fight back. But the fear will be there, oh yes, panic, and terror. I am afraid of most dogs anyway and they know it. I will most certainly soil clothing first, fight back second. Probably die anyway.


Sid    Posted 02-23-2003 at 07:41:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
To answere your question NO and NO


Susan    Posted 09-05-2003 at 06:13:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]

To answer your questions, YES & YES.

YES: I own & rescue the very misunderstood & exploited breed & the breed or subject of your weblog here.

YES: I trust them completely!

Because I know what pre-judging & prejudice type chit-chat can do, I ask that you please get educated. [See links below]

"We should never talk out of fear about something we've never known or been around."

Remember:

"Educate Not Speculate About The Bully breed."

AND...

"Never blame ANY animal for acting aggressively...look beyond that animal & a stupid human WILL be standing!"

I assure you, when it comes to Pit Bulls or any other breed of dog...the "Real" monster is at the OTHER end of the lead...

RESCUED & ADOPTED -THEY DON'T COME ANY SWEETER:
http://community-2.webtv.net/PRECIOUSFORD/HelpSTOPHumans0/scrapbookFiles/mailedD16.jpg


Susan    Posted 09-05-2003 at 06:09:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]

To answer your questions, YES & YES.

YES: I own & rescue the very misunderstood & exploited breed & the breed or subject of your weblog here.

YES: I trust them completely!

Because I know what pre-judging & prejudice type chit-chat can do, I ask that you please get educated. [See links below]

"We should never talk out of fear about something we've never known or been around."

Remember:

"Educate Not Speculate About The Bully breed."

AND...

"Never blame ANY animal for acting aggressively...look beyond that animal & a stupid human WILL be standing!"

I assure you, when it comes to Pit Bulls or any other breed of dog...the "Real" monster is at the OTHER end of the lead...

RESCUED & ADOPTED -THEY DON'T COME ANY SWEETER:
http://community-2.webtv.net/PRECIOUSFORD/HelpSTOPHumans0/scrapbookFiles/mailedD16.jpg


Susan    Posted 09-05-2003 at 06:19:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Also good educational reading...

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amerpit.html


Yankee    Posted 02-23-2003 at 15:09:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pit bulls,rots,sheperds it doesent matter.A dog no matter what the breed will be mean and deadly if they are trained to be that way.I have known many people back east that own pits and rots and they are the best behaved and gentel dogs I've seen.Then you see the nasty ones and look at the owners and you see why the dog is that way.The dog and owner are the same.So I think the dogs reputation and record stems from their owners and not so much the breed.The owners make the rep.I know not all of you will agree with me on this one and am open to your responses.


LiL MI    Posted 08-14-2003 at 00:59:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
thank you my pit is big enough that dog fighters are afraid to walk their pits around him but kids love him and he will sit their and let them pet him and tug on his ears because i trained him personally to be that way if you want a dog to fight you train it that way if not then you punish it when it does anything resembling fighting or aggresion


jack    Posted 07-02-2004 at 06:26:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
to all the people who say poodles arent dangerous .....your crazy!! my grandmothers standard poodle attacked my 17 year old cousin unprovoked while we were watching TV.... he went to the emergency room 12 STICHES to his arm/hands!! 12!! that puffball scares the living crap out of me ....so i now own a healthy muscular 95pound Pit named Danny and so hes my guardian ,not to mention my best friend. i like the security of having a strong dog! Ciao!


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