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Donna from Mo    Posted 02-23-2003 at 15:46:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kazaa is the program that replaced Napster after they were shut down. I use it all the time to download music, but I can't help having a slight twinge of guilt. I'd like some opinions: Do any of you feel it's dishonest to share music in this way? I probably wouldn't be buying the CDs myself (I download mostly old country music, no current stuff) but I know lots of teenagers that get most of their music off Kazaa, and it has to cut into CD sales. Is this a form of stealing?

Ludwig    Posted 02-24-2003 at 08:24:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think of it this way, I only ever buy used cds, and then only rarely, in fact I have no idea when I last bought one, it was quite some time ago. So if I wasn't going to buy a cd anyway I'm really not withholding any money.
The record companies are crying alot lately that the internet is stealing them blind. I don't buy it, apparently they fail to notice that we're in a bad economy and maybe people won't buy as much stuff for awhile...
Those same record companies need to learn that paying Mariah Carey $8 million to not make any more records is the price you pay to get out of a $20 million contract to make bad records.
Point is that the BIG BIG stars get paid too much and the littler, generally good stars get paid dirt, or don't get produced.

This goes right along with the lawyers debate, until CEOS, Lawyers, Big Musicians and Sports Stars start getting paid less there will be no kind of fairness in this world. People need to remember that they can get along without the idiot box and without suing each other and then we'll see a return of what made this country great.

Donna from Mo    Posted 02-24-2003 at 02:56:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks for all your feedback. Your comments have inspired my daily poem, so I'll thank you for that also.

February 23, 2003

Right and wrong... how fine the line
That separates the two.
I sometimes struggle to define
The suspect things I do.
And yet, I know with all my heart
The surest way to tell:
If something makes my conscience smart,
Then it is sent from Hell.

Though I may ask a dozen souls
And they insist it's right,
If honesty is still my goal,
Then it's no use to fight.
The contents of Pandora's box
Are hard to put back in.
The devil is a sly old fox
And loves to see me sin.

Freedom is a lovely theme,
But it comes with a price.
The freedom to do wrong, it seems,
Makes taboo things entice!
So, in the end, what will I do?
How awful is my plight!
Avarice tears me in two,
For I know wrong from right.

Black and white are well-defined:
Not so, the shades of gray.
Without my conscience, I'd be blind
And go my merry way.
But baubles held before my eyes
Still tempt me, and allure.
And so I taste the stolen prize
And act like I'm not sure.

Fawteen - BRILLIANT Poem, Donna    Posted 02-24-2003 at 04:13:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks very much. I took the liberty of copying that one and saving it.

Dennis    Posted 02-23-2003 at 20:42:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
All you have to do is ask yourself "If I developed a new product to help me make money and my neighbor was giving it away free, how would I feel?"

Jim in Michigan    Posted 02-23-2003 at 18:09:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I used to use Kazaa all the time,, havent much lately,, mainly for songs for my mom,, she knew a lot of the older country musicians so she wanted some of their songs,, But yes I feel guilty using it too,,Jim

MikeC    Posted 02-23-2003 at 17:41:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I do have the right to copy music that I have purchased for my own use. I don't have the right to copy music that I have not purchased. Using Kazaa or other file sharing programs is a violation of the copyright agreements.

Even if it were not, I would not have a program loaded with that much spyware on my computer. It is also an open channel for virus and trojans to be dropped on your system.

Caveat Emptor

Fawteen    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:43:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
We've blocked it at school for a number of reasons.

1. Court or no court, it's a copyright violation.

2. It's a HUGE bandwidth hog, it was bogging down the entire network in the building.

3. It's a major avenue for hackers and viruses, because it maintains an open connection to your computer anytime you're on line, whether you're on it's website or not.

4. It installs software on your computer that you have no control over, and has a nasty history of interfering with other software.

That's just my experience, not making any judgements here.

Hey Fawteen!    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:55:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Just wondering how you maintain order in your network...Do all computers in the school go through a server, or are they networked to the internet through a router...If a router, how do you block KaZaA...Do you also block programs like mIRC and IRCle?...

Just wondering...I see lots of kids in 'chatrooms' while at school...Got one kid to admit that he ran mIRC from a ZIP Disc, so that when the school checked the hard drives, they would not find it...He would even reconfigure the darn firewall when he logged on and off...

Dang smart butt kids...

Fawteen - In fact, I'm glad you    Posted 02-23-2003 at 17:47:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
brought that up. It reminded me to check on something.

Been getting a lot of complaints from teachers and staff about coming in and finding that someone has been messing with their computer. My spies tell me that the night janitor spends more time on the computers than running a mop.

Soooooo, being a sneaky so-and-so, I set the proxy server up to deny ALL internet access between 5pm and 5am.

Just wondering who all pitched a fit about that. I've got an idea it'll be illuminating...

Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2003 at 20:14:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Could you have run a packet sniffer, or a keystroke logger on that machine?

Might have been interesting to see where the person was going...

Maybe they just go to YTMag to get help with their Farmall?


Sounds like there's really no need for computers at school    Posted 02-24-2003 at 05:42:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
The kids know plenty about computers---just need to learn to read, write, and what about math and history. Oh, yes, and to think. The big expense that schools want around here now is a "performing arts" theater----and they are getting them right and left. What--all our kids are going to become movie stars now! Our school taxes doubled the last two years! And the teachers tell me that they are not the ones getting the money. Sorry, I don't begrudge you your toy, just tired of taxes for silly things.

Ludwig - yeahbut    Posted 02-24-2003 at 08:19:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
On the line of theaters, when I was in school I was in the theater company, taught me alot about how to think and interact with other people.
I'd like the see the elmination of funding for sports. Are we training kids to be Michael Jordan?
Sports are such a waste of money its silly, we see so many kids getting pushed through school because they can play football or basketball or whatnot...

Actually I think sports have a place, I just never had a place in sports. Still I hate it when the first thing schools want to cut is theater or music and the last thing they'll fight to keep is sports...

Cindi    Posted 02-24-2003 at 06:24:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I AGREE with you one hundred percent. The school system is almost as screwed up as the rest of the country. My son is thirteen and I just discovered that he didn't know mulitplication or how to divide two digit numbers. I too want to know where the money is going. The teachers are taking money out of their pockets to teach and the kids are being taught how to pass FCAT for the year and not reatining much of anything. It's ridiculous.

Fawteen - I agree    Posted 02-24-2003 at 06:03:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's a way of shooting myself in the foot, cuz I make a big chunk of my living supporting school computers, but I don't think the kids should be allowed near them until they can do the basic four math functions in their head, read, interpret and understand written material, and write a coherent essay.

Computers are a tool, like a typewriter, not a subject unto themselves. But, I'm afraid that camel has more than his nose into the tent...

Fawteen - That's the next step    Posted 02-24-2003 at 04:10:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
and I'm the one that cruises YT at work. One of the perks...

Fawteen - You betcher    Posted 02-23-2003 at 17:44:45       [Reply]  [No Email]

We got two layers of filtering. All internet connections are via a proxy server that acts as a firewall and also allows us to block specific URL's, and our ISP is run by the University of Maine System, and we have "live" filtering software there that we can use to block by class or keyword.

Ain't no chattin' going on in MY school. Also, anything that has a file extension of .MP3 gets stripped off.

Kids hate it. I laugh my arse off...

walt    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:42:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just a comment. Kazaa has lots of "spyware". There is a KazaaLite, no spyware. Also, have a good anti-virus program kept up to date. Lots of jerks disguise viruses/trojans as music files.

Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2003 at 16:05:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
KaZaA won the right to stay open in international court...At least for the time being...They, unlike Napster, 'share' all sorts of files...Not just music MP3's...

Pretty sure that KaZaA home country is The Netherlands...

There are many 'Peer To Peer' (P2P) file sharing utilities out there...Not just KaZaA...

Yankee in Ok    Posted 02-23-2003 at 15:52:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would not think so,look at all the people who tape movies off of tv.Cd sales make millions a year same as movie sales.So I wouldent say it was stealing just borrowing for personal use.Keep down loading and enjoy.

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