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kraig WY    Posted 02-25-2003 at 21:30:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't think what I said about teaching Spanish makes me a bigot. What I was trying to point out was teaching Spanish, or any other language in leau of English in school, or else where hurts the kids. Had an Accounting teacher told me communications (written and oral) was the most important subject you can learn. You can be the smartest guy in the world, but if you can't communicate that fact you'll get no where. Not forcing kids to learn and use Englist at an early age holds them back where they can't compete with their peers. How how fair is that.

Case in point, if you have read my past post you'll see why I ain't rich.

If this makes me a bigot so be it.


Bandit    Posted 02-28-2003 at 19:39:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Most other nations teach english as a second or third language. We are about the only nation that doesn't learn a second and third language really well. A second language stimulates the other side of your brain opposite the side of your natural language. Children who learn multiple languages, tend to learn other subjects better and faster.

willie    Posted 02-26-2003 at 07:17:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ref this language thing. My first post to this board,& probably worth only 1 1/2 cents, even with inflation. Not picking on any individual persons or taking sides.
My grandpa came from Germany in 1911, got out before the Big War, & when it was over was on the winning side. He made sure the kids(my Mom & her brother & sister) went to school to learn English. Then he had them teach him English at home. He spoke English when dealing with the "Natives", but spoke German inside his home until the day he died. IMHO if that "hard headed old Kraut" can learn the new language well enough to communicate with others, anyone can. But he preserved his heritage in his home too. It can be done.
By the way, by international treaty, ALL communication between aircraft and trafic controllers, military & civillian, world wide is in English. Doesn't make a difference if they are flying Russian, Japanese, Chinese,Swahili or any other flag.

Gary, Mt. Hermon, La    Posted 02-26-2003 at 05:24:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's a new twist to this subject, My Mother now 76 years old went to school and could not speak a word of English. In SW Louisians French was the predominate language. The Teacher spoke both French and English and that's where and how a whole generation of SW Louisianians learnd English.

gregPA    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:28:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i've been watching this for a couple days now. i think it's time to not be so politically correct. enough is enough. my family heritage is #1 american, then irish and polish. my polish grandparents were so proud to be able to work and be in america. when they were learning english i would help translate for them. they didn't expect america to change for them they wanted to be american. my dad spent 2 campaigns in the european theatre in WW2. if it wasn't for him and all the troops that were in the pacific and europe
we all might be speaking german or japanese and i'm sure they wouldn't have changed their primary language for us. anyone immigrating to the USA should be thankful we don't close our borders to them and we still give them opportunity to become american citizens and prosper here. i am thankful to be an american. if i wasn't happy here i would leave. it's a free will country. please god bless the USA. 100% american, not a politican so i don't have to be politically correct. greg

Dave 2N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:32:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well said!

Dave 2N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:22:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The ability to communicate well in any language is important. But learning to communicate in English is very important. I think it's good to learn other languages too but not to the exclusion of English. For people of other cultures, you don't have to forget about your ethnicity, culture or heritage but you must learn to communicate well in English. I think it's part of the idea of "assimilation" that has kind of been forgotten by the "whatever" folks over the last 30 years.

Les    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:07:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Never fear, Kraig. You have been grouped in with the "talerbans" by the axis of gerbils. You'll have plenty of company. Only reason Burrhead don't attack Cindi is his great chivalry. Admirable, ain't it?

Mudcat49    Posted 02-26-2003 at 04:59:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Les, The reason Burr hasn't attacked Cindi, isn't chivalry, it's because she's right!

Alvin-Va    Posted 02-26-2003 at 09:05:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Muddy,wouldn't be the first time he has attacked the right.

JanO    Posted 02-25-2003 at 21:57:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I agree with you kraig. First of all, communication in any language is important. If a person is lucky enough to be fluent in more then one language, all the better.

This business of catering to the non english speaking community really makes me mad though. I doubt that if I moved to Mexico, Japan, or any other country that they would cater to me! This is AMERICA, and I am proud to be a decendant of Polish imigrants in this country, but that does not mean that I or my family still speak Polish. When my grandparents came here, they didn't know a word of english, but they learned enough to communicate their needs and wishes, and made sure that their children and grandchildren spoke it in their daily lives. It really irks me that the new imigrants to this country insist on NOT learning the language, or encouraging their children to.

English is a difficult language to learn, and become fluent in. But, if the attempt is made to at least try, that's at least a step in the right direction. I have more respect for an imigrant with "broken" english then I do for that same person who doesn't have a clue because he's never bothered to try.

OK, now it's time to get off my soapbox.


hosslog    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:45:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Just a little sidenote-I have a niece that spent several years in Japan teaching ENGLISH in their schools.

Salmoneye    Posted 02-26-2003 at 03:52:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Most of the industrialized world teaches its' children English as a second language...It has surpassed French as the 'international' language in the business world...

Its Me Cindi    Posted 02-26-2003 at 04:26:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
For those of you have been kind enough to first of all, take the time to read and understand my point, and second of all offer your support, I will not forget you for your gentlemanly conduct and you know who you are. There are few of you around these days and whether you realize it or not, you are treasured. I never expect everyone to agree with me 'wholeheartedly' on any topic but there is a world of difference between responding with a simple 'I see no problem' and/or making a general cutting reference to my sexua* orientation. What many people tend to forget is that the written word is very powerful and is not soon forgotten. A statment made off the cuff can be a devastating glance into the character of the writer. When I introduce a topic here it is with the intention of inspiring thought and intellectual response, not to pis* anyone off. That's why the original post started out as a fairly rousing debate and ended up as a verbal brawl. Everything in life is a learning experience and I am thrilled to be a part of the discussions here, be they good or bad. I am just that dam* hardheaded that I view diversity as brain food and will never run from it. Thanks again guys. As I said before, you know who you are, not to mention you ladies that had the gumption to speak up for what you beleive. Thank God for computers in the kitchen, or then where would we be? LOL! Have a wonderful day!

Yankee in Ok    Posted 02-26-2003 at 07:34:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
In my line of work I work with alot of mexican people who do not speak english very well.Maby I am imagening(spell)?? Its early,but they try so hard to communicate with me.I do the best I can to get my point across to them and yes I do admit if they spoke english it would be easier,but we communicate.Now I do run into the ones that I know do undrestand and do speak some english and just choose not to and that bugs me a little but I toss it off as oh well.If somthing messes up while we are doing our work than its him not me.I know it is frustrating for alot of people to shrug it off but we are powerless to change this problem and should just try to all get along as best we can.If people want to learn english they will,if not we cant force them to.We just have to get along as brothers and sisters and work together and all get along.I think this topic has gone to the end.Alot of good opinions were expressed and alot of venting was done which is good for the soul.Dont look down on eachother and others for what or who they are or what they haveor not have or what they can do or not do,accept them for what they are,people like you and me.I dont expect all of you to agree with me and thats ok,I respect you for that just my thoughts and input.All you folks on this forum are wondreful big hearted people and I enjoy chating here.God Bless.

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