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More From our Youthful Days! Just had to post this!!
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Willy-N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 11:43:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Subject: More from our youth
> My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on
> the same cutting
> board with the same knife and no bleach, but we didn't
> seem to get food
> poisoning.
> My Mom used to defrost hamburger on the counter AND I used
> to eat it raw
> sometimes too, but I can't remember getting E-coli.
> Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the
> lake instead of a
> pristine pool (talk about boring),
> The term cell phone would have conjured up a phone in a
> jail cell, and a pager
> was the school PA system.
> We all took gym, not PE ... and risked permanent injury
> with a pair of high top
> Ked's (only worn in gym) instead of having cross-training
> athletic shoes with air
> cushion soles and built in light reflectors. I can't
> recall any injuries but they must
> have happened because they tell us how much safer we are
> now.
> Flunking gym was not an option ... even for stupid kids! I
> guess PE must be
> much harder than gym.
> Every year, someone taught the whole school a lesson by
> running in the halls
> with leather soles on linoleum tile and hitting the wet
> spot. How much better off
> would we be today if we only knew we could have sued the
> school system.
> Speaking of school, we all said prayers and the pledge and
> staying in detention
> after school caught all sorts of negative attention. We
> must have had horribly
> damaged psyches.
> Schools didn't offer 14 year olds an abortion or condoms
> (we wouldn't have
> known what either was anyway) but they did give us a
> couple of baby aspirin
> and cough syrup if we started getting the sniffles. What
> an archaic health
> system we had then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a
> hat and everything.
> I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something
> before I was allowed to
> be proud of myself. I just can't recall how bored we were
> without computers, Play
> Station, Nintendo, X-box or 270 digital cable stations.
> I must be repressing that memory as I try to rationalize
> through the denial of the
> dangers that could have befallen us as we trekked off each
> day about a mile
> down the road to some guy's vacant lot, built forts out of
> branches and pieces of
> plywood, made trails, and fought over who got to be the
> Lone Ranger. What was
> that property owner thinking, letting us play on that lot?
> He should have been
> locked up for not putting up a fence around the property,
> complete with a
> self-closing gate and an infrared intruder alarm.
> Oh yeah ... and where was the Enadryl and sterilization
> kit when I got that bee
> sting? I could have been killed!
> We played king of the hill on piles of gravel left on
> vacant construction sites and
> when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48 cent bottle of
> Mercurochrome and then
> we got our butt spanked. Now it's a trip to the emergency
> room, followed by a
> 10-day dose of a $49 bottle of antibiotics and then Mom
> calls the attorney to sue
> the contractor for leaving a horribly vicious pile of
> gravel where it was such a
> threat.
> We didn't act up at the neighbor's house either because if
> we did, we got our
> butt spanked (physical abuse) here too ... and then we got
> our butt spanked
> again when we got home.
> Mom invited the door to door salesman inside for coffee,
> kids choked down the
> dust from the gravel driveway while playing with Tonka
> trucks (remember why
> Tonka trucks were made tough ... it wasn't so that they
> could take the rough
> Berber in the family room), and Dad drove a car with
> leaded gas.
> Our music had to be left inside when we went out to play
> and I am sure that I
> nearly exhausted my imagination a couple of times when we
> went on two week
> vacations. I should probably sue the folks now for the
> danger they put us in
> when we all slept in campgrounds in the family tent.
> Summers were spent behind the push lawnmower and I didn't
> even know that
> mowers came with motors until I was 13 and we got one
> without an automatic
> blade-stop or an auto-drive.
> How sick were my parents? Of course my parents weren't the
> only psychos. I
> recall Donny Reynolds from next door coming over and doing
> his tricks on the
> front stoop just before he fell off. Little did his Mom
> know that she could have
> owned our house. Instead she picked him up and swatted him
> for being such a
> goof. It was a neighborhood run amuck.
> To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been
> told that they were from a
> dysfunctional family. How could we possibly have known
> that we needed to get
> into group therapy and anger management classes?
> We were obviously so duped by so many societal ills, that
> we didn't even notice
> that the entire country wasn't taking Prozac! How did we
> survive?

Redneck    Posted 02-28-2003 at 13:09:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Preach it Mark!I have a tougher time making it in this world as each day passes.

kraig WY    Posted 02-26-2003 at 15:55:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
School, you could smoke in school (7th grade and above) but if you got cought chewing gum you got beat. I remember taking my .$25 lunch money and going to a near by store and getting a RC Cola, boloney sanwich (thich) and sack of Bull Durham, and had a few pennys change.

You drive a school bus. Our school bus driver was the senior who lived the furtherest out on the route and he didn't have any quams of beating the he!! out of any other kids that got out of line.

Knives in school. Had the teacher barrow mine more then once. Even took a rifle to school to silver soder a front site on in shop.

The army has Capachino in MREs. I'd rather have the cigerettes in C-Rations. They have running shoes and PT uniforms. We had combat boots and ruck sacks. We had a drill sargent who would knock you upside the head, basic recrutes have time out cards. (my son told me they got rid of the time out cards reciently).

I would say that I wished I was born 100 years ago but then again I would be dead now.

Fawteen - Time out cards???    Posted 02-26-2003 at 17:52:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
You have GOT to be sh!tting me!

I retired from the Navy in 1990, and it was getting so touchy-feely THEN that I had trouble keeping my breakfast down. I'd last about 10 seconds in today's military...

Willy-N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 16:34:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh what a life we used to have. I miss all the fun from the service now! All so true. Mark H.

Brian-2N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:31:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
That is so right on the mark.
Have you ever read any of Jean Shepard's books? They made the movie "The Christmas Story" from a compilation of his stories. Although they take place before you and I were born, things hadn't changed that much when we were kids. You'll enjoy them.

Fawteen - Big Ol' Yeppir    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:16:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
The food safety/cleanliness/antibiotic thing drives me ape.

My wife goes ballistic every time I pick up an apple and eat it without washing it first, or don't wash my hands before grabbing a snack, or use a glass off the counter to get a drink instead of getting a clean one, etc. etc. etc.

I honestly believe that folks get sicker easier these days because they haven't built up any immunities to anything because of this hysterical concern for cleanliness, anti-bacterial soap and the constant drive to protect people from everything under the sun.

When I was a kid, there was a saying, something about everyone needs to eat a peck of dirt in their lifetime.

Worst I've been sick in 10 years or more is a head cold.

Darryl    Posted 02-27-2003 at 19:24:30       [Reply]  [No Email]

About your thought that people get sick easier nowadays..... There have been research results recently that seem to indicate that kids living in 'super-clean' households are more prone to developing allergies than kids from homes like mine. Exposure to low-level 'dirtiness' helps to develop immunities to allergens. It's good to find out that I wasn't a slob after all. Rather, I was helping my kids become 'environmentally adjusted'!

Jim in Michigan    Posted 02-26-2003 at 15:15:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can remember many times coming in from the garage with greasy hands and grabbing a sandwich, bread always got that black on it , but it never killed me,,,Jim

Randy    Posted 02-26-2003 at 15:24:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My wife is a nurse and she's always on me about washing my hands before lunch. I just tell her that they're always cleaner when I'm done eating so don't worry!

Willy-N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 14:07:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
The worst thing that came along was Antiseptic hand soap! Your body never see's any germs it needs to fight and it will not build up a resistance to anything. My 17 year old Daughter had antibiotics once in her life for a cold she did not need them for and has never been sick needing a doctor since. I see her playing with the chickens, cows and dogs no problems. I get a head cold once in a while gone in a couple of days and do not take anything for it. The only Meds I take is a Aspirn for my headaches once in a while and those are from running into things or looking up to long (used to carry fixtures on my head as a electrician, stupid idea). I do not realy wash my hands that much never did on the job befor lunch did not have water working construction. But I do take Vitimans and eat good food, not fast or junk food that stuff makes me sick not used to it. The wife takes good care of me and makes sure I eat only good stuff and knows here Homapatic remidies for injurys.I did break my foot once falling off the roof but that don't count I caused that. Was up also on it about 6 months faster then the doctor said I would. Didn't let them pin it either did not want to go under the knife for them to mess me up, might have pined the wrong foot you never know! Mark H.

Cindi    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:23:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fred (my hubby) is a real germ freak. The kids go out the door, pat the dog on the head, grab backpack out of the car, come back in the house and reach in the fridge for something and he nails them. "Did you wash your hands?!!?? You just touched that nasty dog!!!"

Show me one documented case of somebody dying of dog germs.

Fawteen - Oh, yeah...    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:36:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Drives my wife INSANE when I mug on the dog. She'll slime me from Adam's Apple to hairline (and with my hairline, that's a LOT of territory) and my wife is just gagging.

Personally, I think dog spit is a dang good antibiotic...

Yankee in Ok    Posted 02-26-2003 at 14:07:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seems to me that if you let a dog lick on a cut it heals quicker.Am I remembering right or wrong here.Somthing from my childhood on my uncles farm says yes.

donna in w.v.    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:03:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
my mom had a bad arm [she broke her collar bone 5-6 times she was the youngest of 6 the rest were boys i guess they played rough] anyway she used to swat us across the backside with a bolo bat. she'd always keep them when the ball broke from the and my brother never realize we were being abused. maybe thats why we turned out so bad. after all little brother manages a exterminating company and das had the same wife for 20+ years and i run a paint store and married the sweetest guy in the world. so much for the theory that corporal punishment is so terrible.

Cindi    Posted 02-26-2003 at 11:53:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember when speaking back to a teacher was CERTAIN death? It just wasn't done. Or running from/sassing your parents. Another death sentence. Also repeating a grade was the ultimate in humiliation, nowadays it's considered almost normal. I remember all those things you mentioned. If only we could go back. I remember having 'dirt clod' fights and when Johnny D. picked up one with a rock in it and chucked it, knowing it was going to do damage, and hit me in the head with it resulting in stitches, he had his as* kicked every day for a week by every other kid in the neighborhood. It was just standard mode of kid operation.

Willy-N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 12:10:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Being a School Bus Driver for about 3 hours a day I would love to go back to the way it was! The kids can get away with murder now and you can not do anything about it. I only pick up my neibors kids and do not take them to town. I have about 6 on my Bus if I had a full load they could take this job and shove it! The Vice Principal told me he is powerless anymore and the kids laugh at him. This is part of the problem now days with our youth, parents and the system. Mark H.

Rubintropfen    Posted 02-27-2003 at 08:15:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
My wife's school has installed video recorders on the buses. Reports by drivers of misbehavior include video. Parents are "invited" to come in and watch the evidence of why their kid is off the bus. As far as I know, none of those parents has been charged with abuse for beating their children, but some of them shaped right up anyway.

Hal/WA    Posted 02-26-2003 at 18:22:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thank the lawyers again. When I went to a rural school in the 60's, the bus driver had the absolute authority to put anyone off the bus if they acted up. How long you were off depended on what you did. It usually also involved discipline by the principal. Getting back on always involved an apology to the driver. And usually if you had been in trouble, your assigned seat on the bus was in the front row, so the driver could keep an eye on you for awhile.

Thank the lawyers for school policies like: if you are involved in a fight at school, you are automatically suspended pending a hearing, even if you did not start the fight and were just defending yourself. I have gone around and around with my school district and always told my kids that they had the absolute right to reasonably defend themselves if they were attacked. The chicken---- school is just covering their rears. When I went to school there were some fights occasionally, and I can remember one where a guy got suspended for a couple of days to cool down, but at least the school administration did an investigation to see who started it. I know of several other situations where bullies got their clock cleaned when they picked on the wrong guy. Nothing was ever said about this JUSTICE. Yeah thank the lawyers.

Creative bribery worked with kids when we were growing up and still works today. Our bus driver would play the teen station if the bus was quiet. If not he turned it off. He had installed the radio and speakers himself. I thought it was smart then and I think you are smart to use this "carrot" to get the kids to behave today. Too bad you have to just take the crap from the kids. That should not ever happen.

Willy-N    Posted 02-26-2003 at 19:35:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hope I can put some good sence into them but it gets hard to do! If the pay and some bennys wern't good I would just stay at home and work. But since I keep the Bus at home that part is nice enought to make up for the crapp I get once in a while from them. I do jump their parents once in a while when it gets out of hand but it seems the pay back is worse than the problem. Mark H.

Errin OH    Posted 02-26-2003 at 14:27:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark, hate to dissagree with ya but, I think the problem is the principal and to some extent yourself. It sounds like he has given up or its just to much trouble and you feel there nothing you can do. Its simple CYA and starts with you. First grab a copy of the conduct rules and the first time, & everytime, they are broken I'd file a written report and insist that action be taken. If the skool (principal) fails to take action and follow / enforce their own rules reguarding throwing kids "OFF" the buss that act up and cause a distraction, then I'd submitt to the board a letter that when I drive this buss into a tree or off a cliff, because the skool wouldn't do anything bout it (attach all write ups), don't plan on comming after me, cause I am coming after you....

.....and if they don't have such rules, might want to get them to make some before "you" get "your" pants sued off because some stupid kid looses his head while hangin out the window of a moving buss. Document that as well. If the principal knows whats good for him he follow suite and start documenting and enforcing the rules (that - don't want the buck to stop here thing). Yep he'll have to deal with parents and the board. But all he has to do is follow the rules, the ones the board set / adopted. It will take some time and the kids will hate ya for a while, but in 30-40 years they will be on some new "remember the old days talk board", and think how much they respected that old fart of a buss driver that taught them how to respect their elders and wish someone would do it for their kids.

Willy-N Here is what the 6 kids are like on my bus!    Posted 02-26-2003 at 16:24:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just to give you a idea, this is what I deal with; out of the 6 kids one set of parents are not alcholics that is my wife and I, out of the 6 parents 1- can't read, 1 is the kids Grand Father because the parent are drug addicts and one is in Jail right now. #2 is collecting money from the State for a phoney back injury and is drunk most of the time, The one that can't read works ($15.50 a hour) but uses the food bank to feed his animals and knows all the free places to get stuff and has a room full of surplus food he keeps getting because it is free. 2 sets of parents are divorsed. Now with that good up bringing they are getting the one family has two pregnet single girls, another has mood swings every few hours and carrys several big knives with him when not in school. Another never say anything just sits there on the bus. Nice group of well adjusted kids this is 5 out of the 6 kids. I wonder what it would be like with 40 on the bus?? Would I be dealing with 30 messed up ones? Maybe 10 good ones? I here them say little things like you can't touch me it is agaist the law. My parents will sue you if you do something that I can tell them that was wrong. My parents will go to the school board if I get kicked off you are just picking on me! Johnny dose it and you did not see it why are you just reporting me. George hit me didn't you see that when you were driveng? No I didn't he is just lieing to get me in trouble. Did you see me hit him? I did not leave that junk under the seat behind me, don't know who is tring to get me in trouble doing that. You have to see what ever you write someone up for. They made a point to tell the kids no one can touch you and if they do call the school and report them. I have been reported befor cause I grabed a sleeve on a kid saying I need your signed ticket befor you get on the bus and the girl just jerked here arm away and sat down. Then she threw the ticket on the floor, I made her pick it up then her parents (one was a cop) called the Superintendant at the school and I had to be repermanded for grabing her sleeve with two fingers trying to stop her. I now have found a way to keep them under control this year. I have a new bus with a good sterio I will change the station to Rush or Paul Harvey if they act up or turn it off. So if they are good we listen to what they like when they are good. Can't belive how a radio can work so good. Been doing this job for around 5 years and if I had 40 kids on the Bus I would quit. I allready raised my kids and not going to try to raise every one elses who do not care. Kids are a lot different now days belive me when I say that, so are the Parents! It is another persons job to raise and deal with them now?? Mark H.

Randy    Posted 02-26-2003 at 12:03:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dad told me he walked to school - and it was uphill both ways.
One kid even got his head stuck in the wrought iron railing next door, now that was funny. Looked like a cow at a stancion.

Yankee in Ok    Posted 02-26-2003 at 13:26:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not that old,42 to be exact but things have changed alot since I was a kid.I wouldent think of doing what kids today do.A whole new breed of kids.If I did half of the stuff they do now I wouldent sit for a month.Society is sending the wrong message to todays kids.If only we could raise our kids the way we were raised.We all turned out ok dident we.

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