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Cindi    Posted 03-01-2003 at 09:20:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Second Ammendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

First of all does it speak to the individual American, or does it speak the America's right to arm a militia to protect our country?

Secondly assuming it speaks to each American, does this right include automatic or semi-automatic weapons? I don't think our fore-fathers had any sense of how advanced weaponry would become in the future. Is there a reason for the average person to own a mchine gun? Can't shoot a deer with it, well not one you'd probably want to eat afterwards. What happens if we do end up in a war and the US in invaded. Can't pick off the enemy very effectively with a .410 either.


Cindi    Posted 03-02-2003 at 04:48:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I interpret it as the right to defend ourselves against a corrupt government as well as other interlopers. As far as I'm concerned, the right to own guns has protected us over the years from attack by other countries. Like someone said below, who wants to attack a country that allows it's citizens to defend each their own. I want to see someone try to take the guns that came down in our family, one from some distant war. Held together with baling wire with notches carved in the stock. Most likely will backfire and blow your face off if you try to fire it, but a peice of our heritage and a family heirloom as well. Support the NRA.


screaminghollow    Posted 03-01-2003 at 23:18:59       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Jefferson and the others who wrote the constitution and the bill of rights weren't stupid and certainly knew the difference between the "people" and the "states". Any body who interprets this as meaning the National Guard can have guns but not the people must think Jefferson and the others were illiterate boobs.
A "well regulated" militia being necessary to a free state. Does that mean a militia is necessary, or that militias must be well regulated/restricted to keep the country free. Does an armed populace serve as a check against a militia gone amuck? Remember, there were several instances around the time our country was founded in which Militias bucked military authority and did what they wanted, or threatened to. The continental army put several militia officers up in front of a firing squad for trying to mutiny in New Jersey. Davy Crocket led a group of Tennesee militia men in leaving Andrew Jackson's campaign against the Indians in the early 1800's. Some accounts say the army regulars even had artillery pointed at the Militia when it started to leave.
Militias have also been behind some atrocities in our early days. Remember, tory militias were out burning farms during the revolution. Even the Brits couldn't control the excesses of the Tory Militias. For my two cents the first phrase means that militias need to be regulated/kept in check by an armed populace to keep them from "going off the reservation."
As to the type of arms, Technology sure has changed since 1789. I have a neighbor, half mile away, who has been in and out of mental institutions and has been charged with assault, terroristic threats and attempts to illegally purchase firearms. That man should't be allowed to own a slingshot. None of the rights in the bill of rights is absolute. You can't have a human sacrifice regardless of your religion, you can go to jail for a long time if you yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Your right to a jury trial stops with lessor citations and tickets. the Second Amendment is no different. We all draw the line differently.


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Cindi    Posted 03-02-2003 at 04:19:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have only one thing to say....WOW. Well done.


RayP(MI)    Posted 03-01-2003 at 16:50:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
That means that I can own a gun.


Stan(PA)    Posted 03-01-2003 at 14:35:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know this is not a popular opinion but....
At what point do we define which "arms" are meant for the average citizen? Handguns? Automatic rifles? Grenade launchers? Missiles?
I believe in the right to own logical hunting rifles. I do not believe in having handguns and Uzi's all over our streets. ...just my opinion, but I bet I catch it now!


kraig WY    Posted 03-01-2003 at 15:58:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Arms means firearms, didn't say rifle, pistol, etc. it say arms. As far as assault rifles go, I have several hundred-thousands of rounds thru one (sevral). Even bought one thru the army (Division of Civilian Marksmanship), ever heard of National Board for the Promotional of Civilian Marksmanship Program. You have to fire assault rifles (rifle program) or semi-auto pistols (pistol program). I earned my distingished rifle badge,(#1071) and was well on my way toward the idntingished pistol before old age got my eyes. Who is to say hunting in the only ligiment sport for firearms. That hunting guns only BS don't float.


Nah...    Posted 03-01-2003 at 14:55:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You're entitled to your opinion...

However...You might want to study a bit on Great Britain and Australia, and see just how well their 'voluntary' disarmament went...Seems that now the only people with guns are violent criminals, and crime has risen dramatically...Go figure...

May also want to do a little looking at the states with the most liberal concealed carry laws and the crime rates there compared to places where it is next to imposible for the 'average' citizen to get a 'permit'...

Salmoneye

PS...I don't NEED a grenade launcher...anyone with half a brain can make one in a day...but I sure as heck would like one...Just for fun ;-)
...I do however hunt with a handgun...I have taken many bunnies with a pistol...I have even taken a Bear with one...Still working on a deer...


kraig WY Read the rest of the constitution    Posted 03-01-2003 at 12:17:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
As we know the adminments were added after the constitution was written. States were concerned that the "individual" right to bear arms wasn't protected. They wern't concerned about the malitia or National Guard, because the constitution had already addressed that to:wit Article I,sec 8, Congress shell "provide for organizing, ARMING, disciplining the Malitia"

If this was covered in the constitution why would the states demand it covered again with an adminment. If you was to read the Federalist papers, Madison explained the 2nd Admin. delt with individuals.


Old Sarge    Posted 03-01-2003 at 10:49:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
IMHO that amendment gave the right to keep and bear arms to EVERY american. Of course things were different then. They were concerned about another invasion by the British, which did occur in 1812, and we were in an almost daily confrontation with the Native Americans who were disputing the right to plow Woman Below. The Natives always prayed to Man Above, the Supreme Being, and Woman Below, Mother Earth.. But I digress.

The only reason that this country has never been invaded, except during WWII by the Japanese on Attu, is because they KNOW they may defeat our Armed forces. BUT BUT now they have to concern themselves about those thousands of Rifles, Pistols, and yes Shotguns in the hands of the civilian population. Scary thought isn't it. They know what our Constitution says, and probably have copies of it. Would you as dictator of a country even consider invading this country with that knowledge???

And yes, I carried a 12 Ga pump, cut off to 24-1/4" in Vietnam, loaded with 00 buckshot. It is deadly at close range. Charlie sure didn't like it. I still have same weapon 44 years later. Still works too.


Willy-N Me too!    Posted 03-01-2003 at 11:47:12       [Reply]  [No Email]

I have the right and I keep a couple around for that reason. This is my Mini-14(223cal), M1A-M-14(308cal), and favoit 12 Gauge Shot Gun. The 3-12 Power Scope comes in handy for Target Practis! One for every ocasion. Mark H.


Mudcat49    Posted 03-01-2003 at 11:14:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sarge, On Dec. 7, 1941 there was nothing to stop the Japanese from sailing to the west coast and landing. Except! The Japanese are not dummys and they knew America was a armed camp!


LH    Posted 03-01-2003 at 10:54:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Excellant interpretation with which I agree wholeheartedly sir


A-FARMALL    Posted 03-01-2003 at 19:24:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
people of ocupied AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!!! THE federal goverment has nasty little bill in their hands as soon as its conveinit to them. IT IS CALLED THE PATORIT ACT 2,Jjust look around on the internet or ask your local firearms dealer about it, YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT. SO GET ALL THE GUNS AND AMMO WHILE BECAUSE IT WANT ALLWAYS BE THERE TO GET, LETS JUST SAY MAYBE ONE MORE YEAR IF WERE LUCKY !!!!!


Salmoneye    Posted 03-02-2003 at 02:54:38       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It's called:

Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003

And ayuh...It is damned scarey...


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