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Something a owner did on there wiring job that allmost killed me.
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Willy-N    Posted 03-03-2003 at 20:51:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was doing a repair in a dariy barn once removing a panel and putting the circuits into a new one. Easy job but there were panels everywhere on this site. I first turned the power off to the panel like you are supposed to do. Then I tested the panel for power and it was dead. I cut all the wires off the breakers and removed the part the breakers plug into. I have done this hundreds of times befor. Last thing to do was remove the white Neutrals out of the bar bolted to the metal can. I allways leave the bare ends on these so I won't get them mixed up putting them in the new panel because sometimes they are black to. Got allmost done doing it when I pulled a big one out of the bar and got ahold of the stripped end in one hand and the panel in the other. That is when I started shaking and got knocked down on the ground!!! When I had got my sences back I looked at the panel tring to figure what had just happen?? There was power in that wire?? I traced it down to a big box on a pipe and some one thought they would save a few bucks running the neutral to a closer panel to save on wire! Never in 30 years have I seen that done befor! So far from being code that you would never think anyone would do it?? That home owner wiring job just about killed me that day. If when you are not sure about what you are doing with electricty get help from a electrian and do it right! The life you may save may be yours or the next guy who has to work on it! Mark H.

Jimbob    Posted 03-04-2003 at 18:53:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
A neutral can be very dangerous. I always treat them as hot. I have seen a single transformer (pole pig) feeding ten houses. Guess what, the grounded neutral was carrying the ground for a good part of the neighborhood at one house. The arc was substancal when I disconnected it.

Farmer Tom    Posted 03-04-2003 at 05:56:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I share your thoughts and experiences as an fellow electrician, electrical contractor and an ex-chief-electrical inspector for a large metro city. I could write a book about the things I have seen done by non-electrical trade individuals and even some so-called electricians, but no one would buy it; they just wouldn't believe it! You offered good advice, best to call someone who should know how to do it to get the job done! You can bet I have a hard time when I go to the Homer-Depots, Lower's, 884's or similiar places and watch the DIY's in the electrical section - I just have to go stare at 2x4's for a while for stress relief.

Katey in Idaho    Posted 03-04-2003 at 07:35:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
all over this property, that belonged to my FIL, there are electrical outlets stuck on trees and little black tubes, like pvc pipe, out of the ground with exposed wires. DH thinks he was going to put lights up the driveway or something. The outlets where ever, who knows the method to his madness. It is a mess and we are not even going to begin to firgure it out ourselves

Jim Adams    Posted 03-04-2003 at 14:36:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like one or two of the campgrounds I have stayed in.

Cindi    Posted 03-04-2003 at 03:23:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are very lucky that you're here to tell about that. Fred has a policy about working with electric. He never does it alone. He's not an electrician and has a very healthy respect for the stuff. He always arms me with something to 'knock him loose' in case it, in his words, knocks his *$!! in the dirt.

fredo    Posted 03-03-2003 at 21:24:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
my older bro. was killed at age [60] in 1985 moving elect. cords on corn drying system vent fans [3 ph] 220. cord caught on peice of iron, he jerked cord, plug came off end of cord, he was holding end of live cord in both hands underneath him lying on the wet ground face down, not a perty sight. the rest of the story is there was a disconnect about 30' away, but he had done this numerous times without any problems. remeber 2nd mouse gets the cheeze.

fredo    Posted 03-03-2003 at 21:33:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
ps add to above, left a widdow with 5 young kids. makes you stop and think how many stupid things we do and god still protects fools and no brainers.

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Willy-N    Posted 03-03-2003 at 22:04:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
That was another reason I got out of the trade. I was allways working things hot during the last few years in buildings you could not shut down. I just used up my nine lives to many times to count. Sometimes I wonderd what it would take to electrocute me! I have been hooked up so many times thru the heart I lost count! I have been blind for allmost a hour when I slipped in a hot panel and shut down our defence computers at Keyport nuclar Torpedo station in Keyport, WA. I have got it in the head befor on a cut wire it was like a hammer hitting me in the temple and knocked me off a ladder the boss said it was off! I've been burnt, cut, slamed, gassed on a 180 ft smoke stack, lost my hearing for a while due to a explosin in a panel. Even had a cord fall into a swiming pool with me as a kid you should have seen me scratching the bottom with my nails getting out. I was pumping it out and the cord runing the pump fell in. I allways wonder if those things affected my mind over the years?? Still can't spell right and allways seem wired up with energy. Mark H.

fredo    Posted 03-03-2003 at 22:56:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
guess the big guy upstairs isn't ready for us yet or he has too many apprenace's in training. and doesn't have time to keep us out of trouble. i had triple bypass two years ago, every day is bonis time now. i have used up my three score ten years god promised me. i'm 72 [bonis time]

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