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Lew    Posted 03-07-2003 at 05:57:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
This was posted on a local Wisconsin (bulletin board)in response to a question about tracing internet addresses.

You sure can be... We trace abuse complaints all the time and turn service off to customers for it... It can also be used by law enforcement to track attacks and such... there are ways to hide the info but no way to ultimately get away with anything on the net if someone if determined to find you... We have sustained denial of service attacks which where launched by a virus against our edge routers which eventually were traced back to the person that wrote the virus... he is in jail now!

We have also been contacted by the FBI about a person way up north using our service(ran the ip through arin) who was dealing in child porn... since he was emailing it from yahoo(based in CA) to an AOL address(based in VA?) from WI he was committing an interstate federal offense... we lost a customer within another day... he is in jail as well...

You have to be careful what you do on the net! everything is logged somewhere and you can always be found... I could tell from an ip address within a half hour if someone on our network was using that IP, who it was, and what they were connecting(or attempting to) to... ISP's have to do this to protect themselves... we know what is going through our mail servers if we need to look... ISP's that are honest don't look unless it is court ordered as a part of an investigation...

We have 250,000 users in our region(MN and WI) using our broadband service... we have 3 OC48's worth of bandwidth to the net to serve these folks... within two years we will be building fiber to the Chicago Internet NAP as well... We have 800,000,000 invested in our network across the two states with 1500+ miles of fiber... this is just in 2 states and we are a nationwide company so we have a lot to loose and have to protect ourselves... so we as an ISP take this very serious...

I know this is way too much info for most people but I wanted to make the point that we can and must be able to know exactly what you are doing at any time if there is a need so please be careful... I hate having to confirm things with the FBI and get someone in trouble...

Now I am not saying that things like mp3's and such are going to get you in trouble... it could but very very unlikely... I consider it about the same as speeding... you can get caught but usually not... it is things like child porn, attempting to "hack", dos attacks, threats of bodily harm, and other high profile illegal actions that will get you in trouble every time...


Salmoneye    Posted 03-07-2003 at 06:54:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
All true in theory...

However, in practice, like the man said, you have to be one of the worst of the baddys in order to garner any attention at all...

And...Once people start Phreaking (illegal use of phone lines that belong to, or are paid for, by others) and using 'borrowed' ISP's, the job of the good guys gets exponentially more difficult...


Ludwig    Posted 03-07-2003 at 08:26:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dabbled in a little phreaker theory when I was in college working for IT. The school was super paranoid that somebody would use their system to steal from the phone company.
We found, that even with only 2000 or so phones on campus unless the phreaker was being very obvious, like calling Bora Bora for 2 hours twice a week, it'd some danged hard to catch them.

Anybody from an ISP talking about people who got caught is talking about somebody being DUMB and/or is putting up a good front for the public to make them feel comfortable.

The worst problem with hackers is that they like to put their mark on stuff. Then they use the mark elsewhere, like on boards and such and they get traced. If I'd attacked somewhere you can bet your bippy I wouldn't keep any record of it and I wouldn't call it the "Ludwig Virus"....


;-)    Posted 03-07-2003 at 08:54:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I hear ya...

I always wondered about the Ego thing...seems to be the downfall of all of the ones that get caught...

As for phreaking here...Nicest thing they do when they put in a new housing 'development' is to route all the phone and power lines through a BIG green box...right near the road...and usually out of sight...Then the homeowners association wonders who has an Aunt in Peking...And why she really seems to be into opium products...

Darn good thing most criminals are dumber than a box of rocks...

;-)


Patria / PR    Posted 03-07-2003 at 07:21:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Check your mail, please.


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