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Horse help
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bidibird    Posted 03-24-2003 at 06:11:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi.After reading SeaJ's post,maybe someone can give me some tips on training a horse.I have a 4 year old thats never been ridden.I know absolutely nothing about a horse.She accepted the bridle (no reins yet)and saddle with no problem.Yesterday I tried to get on her and she backed up and sat down 2 times then she laid down on her side the third time.The next time she just stood there and I had my son lead her around the yard.She did'nt seem to mind.Have I done anything wrong?any help is appreciated.Sorry this is so long.

Linda    Posted 03-24-2003 at 11:29:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I totally agree with the other posts recommending a professional trainer. Your horse needs round pen work done by a professional, as well as other training. It's now going to be very, very hard to teach this horse not to pull the tricks he has pulled on you. Friends or ours are some of the best horse trainers I've ever seen. They learned from Ray Hunt, whose methods are similar to John Lyons' methods. After they trained the first of our horses for us, they spent several years teaching me how to properly ride that horse and how to use the cues that horse was taught. When we have a horse to train, we still take that horse to them. We do not try to do it ourselves. When we get that horse back, we spend time reinforcing the training the horse has received, but if there is the slightest problem, it's right back to the trainer for advice.

You can check out John Lyons tapes from the library or ask for an interlibrary loan, but you still need a professional trainer.

When we made the appointment to take our first horse to the trainer, we asked what he wanted us to do with the horse before he got him. His answer was "Nothing!" Teaching a horse to properly lead and to allow its hooves to be picked up is the extent of pre-training a novice should do.

My advice to you is to stop any training you are doing right now. Do not saddle the horse again and do not try to mount the horse. Be very, very honest with any trainers you talk with. Tell them what you have done and what problems you have run into. If there is a 4H horsemanship leader in your area, talk to that person for referrals to a trainer.

Good luck with your horse.

Judy    Posted 03-24-2003 at 10:55:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi Bidibird!

All of the below advice is excellent! I'm 53 years, also, and have had horses all of my life. I own 50+ at present.. One of the best lessons that I've learned over the years,is that green horses and green riders are a recipe for disaster and injury. Horses learn bad behavior so fast it is truly amazing, but when you try to help him "unlearn" something that he needs to stop doing, it is just about impossible! He'll remember with fiendish delight, all of those "fun ole' nasty tricks forever"!!! You will be doing your horse and yourself a huge favor if you hunt up a reputable professional, and let him/her work your horse to the place where you are able to feel comfortable on your horse's back--and spend a few hours taking some lessons *on your own horse, from the person who started your horse*.
Reading John Lyons books , and all of the other recent pro trainers, turned authors is fine, but only as a suppliment to a good real-live trainer. I'd surely let a real live professional trainer be the one to train him for you. When it's all said and done, you'll realize that it was money *very* well spent!!!! Best Wishes, Judy

pat    Posted 03-24-2003 at 10:34:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
answered the way I wanted to, when I saw the post,,, take their advice,, the steps you will learn about handling horses from a pro will be priceless,, if you have a horse and you are in it for the long term,,, you will only get better with time,, but seek professional help first,,, like was stated there are many horses that people think are untrainable or bad,, they just need the right type of work to them, good luck, play safe,

Gyp-Wy    Posted 03-24-2003 at 10:31:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lyon's book and tape are excellent reference tools for someone that has been around horses but you will save a ton of money by having someone that knows what he is doing put some hours on your horse. One broken leg will cost you about $15,000, if you are lucky!! Plus the horse deserves a good life and I have seen a lot of horses spoiled without the owners meaning them harm. Old Cowboy saying "It's not if you are going to get hurt on a horse, It's when and how bad!!!"

Catfish    Posted 03-24-2003 at 09:15:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bidibird, take cowgirlj's advice "get a professional trainer" and ask for references and check them . There's no such thing as a bad horse , but put that good horse with a so-so trainer and you'll have a crash for sure .Over time you will learn alot about horses but seek pro,s help in training .I've been around horses all my life (53 yrs. & got 3 right now)but when one comes my way that needs training I always work with the pros. Enjoy your horse , Catfish

Good Lord    Posted 03-24-2003 at 09:00:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nobody ever wants to hear this, but here goes. The best advice I can give you is to take your horse to an experienced horseman to start. Take riding and husbandry lessons from this person as well. If you do not, you will surely ruin or badly damage the horse for future use. You also will be putting the horse (and you) at risk of injury or loss of life. This is not a process that should be learned "on the fly." I have thrown my leg over many green colts, and still find myself in "awkward" situations from time to time. I have seen too many colts and adopted mustangs with terrified owners and tweaked minds to say anything else. Once again nobody wants to hear this, but most riders have no business starting green horses without help, and even years of riding does not a trainer make. Good Luck.

cowgirlj    Posted 03-24-2003 at 09:10:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Good advice! Thank you for reinforcing my thinking.

cowgirlj    Posted 03-24-2003 at 08:53:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Bidibird, please get professional assistance with your horse. If you know nothing about horses, or about breaking and training, then please find a reputable trainer, and get the proper help. A public forum, full of lots of different opinions is not the place to get advice on breaking your horse. There is a lot of good advice out there, as well as bad on these forums, and if you don't really know the difference, then you will make a mistake.
Sorry, jusy my advice.

Mike B IL    Posted 03-24-2003 at 08:51:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Get John Lyons's book "Lyons on Horses" It will answer all your questions.
Goog luck!

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