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Shotgun question??!
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Bandit    Posted 03-31-2003 at 19:48:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Howdy,
Do any of you folks hunt with a 16 gauge shotgun? Can you give me a brand that makes 16 gauge turkey loads. I've searched the big names "Winchester, remington" but they don't have any. Thanks a lot.


m hansen    Posted 03-15-2009 at 15:16:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i hunt with a 16 ga double> the best loads ive found are made by the nitro company>they make 16ga turkey loads 4x5x7 hevi shot load>they are solid out to 40 yds before that i used no 4 pheasant loads good luck


Dave    Posted 04-02-2003 at 01:25:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ran into the same problem about 10 years ago.Wife wanted to turkey hunt with Grandpas's old Strelingworth 16 ga double.Best I could find,and best pattern was with ACTIV's #5 shot,and that still wasn't great.Unfortunately,she never did get a chance,but I suspect that old gun will get back in the game one of these days...Dave


Bandit    Posted 04-01-2003 at 07:54:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks,
I'll probably just go to the gun shop and ask them. If they don't have anything for turkey, then I'll go with what you guys said just get the heaviest load they carry. I don't really want to reload so thats out.
They ought to bring the ole 16 ammo back into some heavy production. Mine is a double barrel 16, real nice.

Anyway, thanks for the advice.


Ludwig    Posted 04-01-2003 at 08:32:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
"They ought to bring the ole 16 ammo back into some heavy production."

Why? Remember companies are in business to make money. Go to Wal-Mart and if they have 16ga shells discretely mark the boxes with a pencil.
Go back in a week. I bet they haven't sold a dozen boxes. In that time I bet they've sold 5 cases of 12ga.
If it doesn't sell they won't make it. I don't think anybody makes a 16ga shotgun now(maybe New England Arms?). If nobody is making new guns the gauge will continue to decline. Like others have said the bigger gauges are on the rise because of the lousy balistics of steel shot. 12ga 3" and now 3 1/2" and 10ga are the popular ones now.


Bandit    Posted 04-01-2003 at 09:57:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remington has a line of 16 gauge pumps and autos...


Ludwig    Posted 04-01-2003 at 12:25:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
So they do. The 1100s are beautiful guns. If the 16ga wasn't $750 I'd just have to go right out and buy one. I'd really like an 1100. My 16ga auto is a Remington, can't remember the model off hand but its recoil actuated which is kind of a pain. Gas actuated automatics are so much smoother and you don't get the "kachunk!" transmitted through the buttstock as much.

The 870 pump is also a nice gun, its beauty that they both have screw in chokes too. My pump has a very tight choke so its really only good for trap, or maybe turkeys. I'd be nervous to shoot ducks with it as the steel would ruin the choke quick.


Salmoneye    Posted 04-01-2003 at 12:35:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Steel did open chokes some when it was first mandated, but they have almost completely done away with any problems with steel due to the use of thicker shotcups that deform and conform to the choke...Pick one up off the ground after shooting through a tight choke and you will see the deep impressions in the thick plastic...

At least that has been my experience with steel, and I am shooting steel BBB on geese through old (and new) guns...


Ludwig    Posted 04-01-2003 at 13:31:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hmm, sounds good. I've actua lly got a Mos sberg 500 that I bought to shoot ducks with, thought the 3inch magnum might come in handy, never got a chance to shoot ducks, but the slug barrel is a good deer dropper.

Hmm, looks like something here is hitting the potty filter, wonder what it could be...
Mos sberg? Moss, os_sb? s_sb? Okay so what is it about the letters s, s, and b when put together causes the potty filter to hang up? Thats annoying.


Salmoneye    Posted 04-01-2003 at 15:57:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
While I do find the potty filter annoying at times, it has saved my @$$ more than once ;-)

My Great Aunt (one of em) left me a Remington Model 11 (30's vintage if the serial # is right) in 12 guage, that came through factory with a full choke 30 inch barrel...It is a hump-back Browning made under license by Remington...I have never seen a faster semi action in a shotgun including my Fathers' Brownings, and Springfield hump-backs...The modern 1100's don't even come close to the speed of the lockup time on that old action...

My point is...I was kinda worried about steel when it first came out and did not use that shotgun for about 10 years on waterfowl...I am pleased as punch to be using it again, and other than the fact that I have to go to 2 shot sizes bigger, I have not noticed a difference in lethality..But then I have always prided myself on my decoying and calling ability...

Can ya tell I can go on for a while on this subject?

LOL

Sorry...I just like duck swamps and grain fields in the fall...

Now I need a dog...But then I have needed a dog for 32 years now...


Ludwig    Posted 04-02-2003 at 06:38:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think I need to make a trip up to Camp Salmoneye one of these days. Sounds like you have far too much fun!
I've never actually gotten to do any duck hunting. Got all prepared once when a friend bought what he called a "duck boat" and then found out his wife had no intention of letting him shoot ducks from "Her" yacht. These would have been sea ducks. Then we were going to use the boat to go out to one of the rocks in the bay and shoot ducks from the yacht, but she put an end to that too. So I never got a chance on ducks.

In truth I'm fairly lousy with the shotgun. I've missed more partidges than I hit. This year I gave up and shot the head off with the rife! 1 shot, 1 partridge, no pellet picking. .348 Winchester just took his head clean off. Of course on the next one I hit a little low and took all the meat clean off... Just left a little pile of feathers. You win some, you lose some.


Salmoneye    Posted 04-02-2003 at 06:52:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I am a better snap-shot than if I have all the time in the world...Never gotten a deer in 31 years of hunting...Scared the heck out of a couple...I slapped the trigger like a shotgun, and that just does not go over well with a rifle...

Partridge are easy...Try Timberdoodles if you want tough...Buggers hold till you almost step on em...

;-)


Ludwig    Posted 04-02-2003 at 10:19:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Timberdoodles? Like woodcock? Never got a chance on 'em. The season in Maine doesn't start until they've already migrated.
I've never shot a deer either, but its not for being a good enough shot for one. Just never in the right place at the right time. Saw 3 does last fall. No doe tags given in that area.

I have shot a moose though, lot fewer people can say they shot a moose than shot a deer.


screaminghollow    Posted 04-01-2003 at 06:25:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
16 guage has about gone the way of the 28 guage, almost a specialty item. Heck, my brother has a 24 guage and can't even find shells to handload.
To show how weird some folks get, my buddy made a 50 caliber shot gun out of an old rifle (reamed out the rifling which was bad anyway.) and using 50-90 rifle brass loaded with wads and shot. It sure is a squirrel and rabbit killer.


Ludwig    Posted 04-01-2003 at 07:06:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
You can still get a martini action 14ga pretty cheap. They used a necked 14ga brass shell. Used by the British police forces in the african colonies. They used a necked case so you couldn't use standard 14ga ammo, to keep the "natives" from stealing the guns and rising up.

As far as converting guns goes. Dad has a .410 made from a British .303 enfield. Again used by the police forces on the African continent. This time just after WWII when they had lots of the enfield rifles laying around. I used Dad's to hunt deer in shotgun only zones. The sights on it are excellent.


Ludwig    Posted 04-01-2003 at 06:02:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yup, what the others said.
I've been shooting 16ga for years. Got a pump and automatic right now and looking to add my Great Uncle's single to the collection.
As for "turkey" loads. Remember the turkey load, with the copper coated or bismuth shot is very new. 16ga hasn't seen any development for 10+ years. Nobody is bringing out anything new because its a real niche gauge. Like Salmoneye said you could just use regular lead, which is what people used before the fancy stuff came out. Or buy yourself a loader and get busy. Be aware if you go the route of buying a loader that there are very few wad choices and if you intend to load heavy, say larger than 1oz, you'll have to cut the wads to work it. I think 16ga can only go up to 1 1/8oz anyway, but I'm not so sure about that.


Salmoneye    Posted 04-01-2003 at 02:40:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Depends what you consider 'turkey' loads...

You can still get 16 guage factory loads in about any size shot you want, but they may not be specifically geared towards turkey...Any good shot in the #2 range in lead is just fine for a headshot in close...If you are looking for 'buffered', 'duplex', or bizmuth...you may be out of luck...

try www.cheaperthandirt.com

Lots of ammo choices there..


Good Lord    Posted 04-01-2003 at 00:39:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had the same problem finding loads for waterfowl. I finally ended up getting some new dies and reloading them myself. Even that is a pain because getting casings and wads for 16's isn't as easy as the common gauges.


JoeK    Posted 03-31-2003 at 23:08:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've found 16ga in anything but light loads almost impossible to find for past few yrs.I've been told by dealers that it is very low demand item and the 16ga is almost obsolete.With steel shot etc,apparently the 10ga Mag has gained in popularity,12ga fallen to 2nd and 20ga and 410 still being the entry level/youth shotgun.Maybe your local gunshop could order some in for you.


RayP(MI)    Posted 04-03-2003 at 03:48:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've got an old J.C. Higgins (Sears?) 16ga BOLT ACTION. Kicks like a mule. Would rather use a 12ga. anyday. Suggest for lighter shooting that you pick up a 20ga. There's little difference, really in the loads. 16ga are practically obsolete, and finding specialty ammo is really about impossible. Haven't seen many manufacturers offering anything in that line at all!


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